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Would "Christians" vote for Mitt Romney if they knew Mormons rebaptise other religions' deads?

 
 
Fido
 
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Reply Fri 10 Feb, 2012 01:55 pm
@outgoingpeep,
outgoingpeep wrote:

Excuse me? So, what you're saying is that Mormons are not Christians? What are they then? Have you ever stopped and think for a minute that maybe just maybe Mormons also have a faith and that faith like any other religion, includes believing in Jesus Christ?
Hell; Christians are not Christians... The Catholics were Paulists, and the protestants went back to being Jews... If Jesus turned up some where all of these people would join in his murder, and they would BBQ him and have him on bread... It is all about money and power, and where ever they are those so called Christians are one leg of the government and social order...If there is a hell it is for such as they, and Jesus would be the first to drive them with a whip from the temple steps... If you want God; have the courage to find him on your own... The well beaten path leads to the well beaten path...
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2012 11:08 am
@Fido,
Mormons apologize for posthumous baptism of parents of Jewish rights advocate Wiesenthal
By Associated Press, Published: February 14

SALT LAKE CITY — Mormon church leaders apologized to the family of Holocaust survivor and Jewish rights advocate Simon Wiesenthal after his parents were posthumously baptized, a controversial ritual that Mormons believe allows deceased people a way to the afterlife but offends members of many other religions.

Wiesenthal died in 2005 after surviving the Nazi death camps and spending his life documenting Holocaust crimes and hunting down perpetrators who remained at large. Jews are particularly offended by an attempt to alter the religion of Holocaust victims, who were murdered because of their religion, and the baptism of Holocaust survivors was supposed to have been barred by a 1995 agreement.

(Ronald Zak, File/Associated Press) - FILE-- This 1995 file photo shows Nazi-hunter Simon Wiesenthal. Mormon church leaders have apologized to the family of Holocaust survivor and Jewish rights advocate Simon Wiesenthal after his parents were posthumously baptized in a Mormon temple ritual last month.

Yet records indicate Wiesenthal’s parents, Asher and Rosa Rapp Wiesenthal, were baptized in proxy ceremonies performed by Mormon church members at temples in Arizona and Utah in late January.

In a statement, the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center denounced the baptismal rites.

“We are outraged that such insensitive actions continue in the Mormon temples,” said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean at the center.

The church immediately apologized, saying it was the actions of an individual member of church — whom they did not name — that led to the submission of Wiesenthal’s name.

“We sincerely regret that the actions of an individual member of the church led to the inappropriate submission of these names,” Michael Purdy, a spokesman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said in a statement issued Monday. “We consider this a serious breach of our protocol and we have suspended indefinitely this person’s ability to access our genealogy records.”

Mormons believe posthumous baptism by proxy allows deceased persons to receive the Gospel in the afterlife. The church believes departed souls can then accept or reject the baptismal rites and contends the offerings are not intended to offend anyone.

Other religions, including the Catholic church, have also publicly objected to the baptism of its members, and it’s been widely reported that Mormon and GOP presidential nominee front-runner Mitt Romney’s atheist father-in-law Edward Davies was posthumously baptized.

A check of the records by Salt Lake City researcher Helen Radkey showed the baptism occurred in November 1993. The record suggests a family member may have submitted Davies’ name, which would be in line with the rules for entering names in the database.

Changes made to the church database in 2010 were intended to better prevent names of Holocaust victims from being submitted for rites.

Radkey found documentation of the baptism of the Wiesenthals last week while conducting regular checks of a church database. Jews have relied on the work of Radkey, a former Mormon, since 1999, although Mormon church officials have publicly questioned her motives for reviewing the database.

On Tuesday she told The Associated Press she periodically checks the database for the Wiesenthal name to gauge whether the latest Mormon efforts to screen the process were working.

Radkey’s recent monitoring also turned up a record for Holocaust survivor and Nobel Laureate Elie Wiesel and several of his relatives.

“None of the three names were submitted for baptism and they would not have been under the church’s guidelines and procedures,” Purdy said. “The names were simply entered into a genealogical database. Submission for proxy baptism is a separate process.”

New Jersey-based Jewish genealogy experts Gary Mokotoff said publicity about the Wiesenthal baptism will help solve the problem, which he believes is likely limited to a small number of overzealous church members who believe they are providing a service to their church.

“If the word gets out that there are consequences, they’ll stop,” said Mokotoff, who has also participated in talks with Mormon leaders. “But no one has a right to involve other person’s families in their religion. That’s basically what’s wrong about the whole concept.”

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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2012 11:31 am


Is Obama still considered a 'Christian'?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2012 11:33 am
@H2O MAN,
Are you still considered 'human?'
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2012 11:34 am
@izzythepush,
Has Obama ever considered himself a Christian?
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Fido
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2012 03:00 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Are you still considered 'human?'
Sometimes human; but always an idiot... Really, a human idiot, but too common, especially in the west, to bother to display...
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2012 03:16 pm
@izzythepush,
One of the more correct humans here.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2012 11:24 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

Baptism for the dead
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Baptism for the dead, vicarious baptism or proxy baptism today commonly refers to the religious practice of baptizing a living person on the behalf of one who is dead; with the living person receiving the ordinance of baptism, for the dead person.

Baptism for the dead is today best known as a doctrine of the Latter Day Saint movement, where it has been practiced since 1840. It is currently practiced by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), where it is performed only in dedicated temples, as well as in several (but not all) other current factions of the Latter Day Saint movement. Those who practice this rite view baptism as an indispensable requirement to enter the Kingdom of God, and thus practice Baptism for the Dead to give those who have died without ever having had the opportunity to receive baptism the opportunity to receive it by proxy if they wish.

The modern term itself is derived from a phrase "baptised for the dead" occuring twice in the New Testament (1 Corinthians 15:29), though the meaning of that phrase is an open question among scholars. Early heresiologists Tertullian (Against Marcion 10) and Chrysostom (Homilies 40) attributed the practice to the Marcionites, whom they identified as a heretical "gnostic" group.[1]

Consequently the practice was forbidden by the Catholic Church, and is not practiced in modern mainstream Christianity, whether Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, or Protestant.

More information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_for_the_dead


So what? Are you offended directly by the practice? Does it impinge in any way on the real associations you have in your life? I seriously doubt it. This is merely close minded intolerance and bigotry on BBB's part.

It is interesting to observe the hypocrisy of those who demand respect for their own rejudices but avidly condemn those of others even if they are not harmed in any way by them.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 05:52 am
@georgeob1,
I agree. All of this focus on Mormonism really makes me cringe. I really wish that as a country we were better than this. There are lots of reasons that Romney shouldn't be president. His religion shouldn't be one of them.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 06:05 am
Isn't the Mormon religion just a kinder version of the Muslim religion without all the honor killing, martyrdom and mayhem?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 09:40 am
@H2O MAN,
So then, you're ok with Islam Lite?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 10:18 am
@InfraBlue,
H2O MAN wrote:

Isn't the Mormon religion just a kinder version of the Muslim religion without all the honor killing, martyrdom and mayhem?


InfraBlue wrote:

So then, you're ok with Islam Lite?


Is that your way of answering my question with a yes?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2012 11:27 am
@H2O MAN,
It's taking your question and posing it as a hypothetical assertion, and asking you if you'd be ok with it.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 17 Feb, 2012 06:35 am
@georgeob1,
It's not at all surprising that a guy like you, Gob, who regularly engages in sneaky, underhanded, highly deceptive rhetoric would think that this practice by the Mormon Church isn't also sneaky, underhanded and basically immoral.

It's the equivalent of taking a person's will and adjusting it to your own desires.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 17 Feb, 2012 11:46 am
@JTT,
Did you expect anything else?
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 17 Feb, 2012 12:15 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Did you expect anything else?


Are you speaking of Gob's expectorations or the Mormon church, Izzy? Smile
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 17 Feb, 2012 01:24 pm
@JTT,
I don't know enough about the Mormons to comment.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 17 Feb, 2012 04:14 pm
@izzythepush,
No problem. It was a bit of a joke on my part anywoo.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 17 Feb, 2012 04:29 pm
@JTT,
Don't fret, it's a better than a lot of the jokes I've heard.
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