@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:
Fido wrote:We feel alien from all we see in nature...
What do you mean "
we?"
What I mean by we is most people, excluding the few intelligent... As Goethe said: Nature has neither kernel nor shell... She is everything at once..
So; is prescription necessary without a disease???
Hannah Arendt: Only we who have erected the objectivity of a world of our own from what nature gives us, who have built it into the environment of our nature so that we are protected from her, can look upon nature as something "objective". Without a world between man and nature, there is eternal movement, but no objectivity...
I would like for you to understand that one of the most perplexing and irrational qualities of human kind, and one that is responsible for most of what we think of as progress, the death wish, the great thanatos of Freud is aimed at the detruction of our enviroment, Our Nature so that we can all commit suicide by killing humanity by killing our environment and everything in it... And it is irrational, and it is impossible; but it would not seem possible or rational if we could not cut ourselves off from nature and reality and think of each as abstraction independent of human will and activity; and I think that underlying all this behavior is our awarness of our futile individual lives, alienated both from community, and from nature, totally unreal as life must seem to those who look at it... Is not life considered spiritual only because it is the most unatural element of all nature??? Can anyone imagine life springing into being by accident??? I try only because it is the only way it might have happened without predicate or precident; and otherwise, we have to imagine God, and then, where God, and why???
If it were easy and natural for people to see themselves as real and to see their nature as natural, there would be no need to discuss the point.. If it were easy your mother would already have it done... In fact, the easy answer, and the unreal answer is exactly that answer most of our mother's gave us to explain our lives to us... To Christian Mythology we are unreal, and are unnatural...From that perspective it is not in the least unreasonable that we should alienate ourselves from reality, and seek to destroy our lives with nature so we can have the spiritual being we think ourselves to be...