I just don’t understand drinking and driving

@hawkeye10,

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You however are not capable of debating public policy without demonizing those who dont agree with you.

Pointing out where you are inaccurate, and wrong, in the statements you are making, is hardly "demonizing" you. Laughing

If you were really interested in wanting to know all the facts, as you keep professing, you'd want to know where you were wrong. But your ego can't take it if someone points out where you are wrong.

This is all about your ego, Hawkeye, your need to win.

Your interest in Swift's sentence will be mainly to see how close your guess was, and you've already told us how you are usually right. Rolling Eyes

Of course, whether you are actually usually right, reflects only your grandiose opinion of yourself, and not reality. Laughing

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It is about public policy, and in the debate about public policy it is important to separate those who know what they are talking about from those who dont know the difference between their ass and a hole in the ground.

Since you apparently don't even know what the topic of this thread is, and it's not about public policy, it's about one man's DUI manslaughter accident/arrest, and drinking and driving, you seem to be having a "debate" with a strawman. You do that strawman debate routine quite often, and then you claim you're winning. Talk about rigging a debate. Laughing

But, since I've already shown where you don't know what you're talking about, I guess we know which one of us doesn't "know the difference between their ass and a hole in the ground." Laughing

Some of us actually like to discuss things, Hawkeye, and there aren't winners or losers in a discussion. With you, it's all about competition.

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@hawkeye10,

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Until and unless you prove me wrong.....which I cant recall over happening.

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@firefly,

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Since you apparently don't even know what the topic of this thread is, and it's not about public policy, it's about one man's DUI manslaughter accident/arrest, and drinking and driving, you seem to be having a "debate" with a strawman. You do that strawman debate routine quite often, and then you claim you're winning. Talk about rigging a debate.

We have been debating policy, as you are aware. If you dont think that we should be that would be par for the course given that you are an advocate for the police state, but fortunately we the members of A2K and not you still get to decide what threads are about, and can do with them as we will. If you need to direct conversation you best vacate to a currently functioning police state, as America is not fully there yet, despite the efforts of you and your ilk.

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@hawkeye10,

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given that you are an advocate for the police state

Right, I advocate a police state. Laughing

I support drunk driving laws. I believe that people who violate those laws deserve to be arrested and charged. I believe that Thom Swift was lawfully arrested and charged. I believe he is receiving due process.

Some police state. Laughing

Swift's case is not supporting your paranoid claims. Which is why you can't stick to the topic. You need an excuse to get up on your soapbox, and do your usual anti-government rant, and Swift's case doesn't support that. You need to make the topic all about you and your views of the government and laws.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

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given that you are an advocate for the police state

Right, I advocate a police state.

I support drunk driving laws. I believe that people who violate those laws deserve to be arrested and charged. I believe that Thom Swift was lawfully arrested and charged. I believe he is receiving due process.

Some police state.

You believe that might makes right, and that the state should have the might.....you are an advocate for the police state. You dont give a damn about human rights, you are a disgrace to America and an enemy to everything that America stands for.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

You believe that might makes right, and that the state should have the might.....you are an advocate for the police state. You dont give a damn about human rights, you are a disgrace to America and everything that America stands for.

So... how long have you been making your living as a psychic?

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@firefly,

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given that you are an advocate for the police state

Hawkeye can be a real hoot. Who needs to use reason, when you can make wild leaps in logic?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

You believe that might makes right,

Like when a mighty vehicle driven by a drunk crashes in to an unmighty bicycle?

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@hawkeye10,

firefly wrote:

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given that you are an advocate for the police state

Right, I advocate a police state.

I support drunk driving laws. I believe that people who violate those laws deserve to be arrested and charged. I believe that Thom Swift was lawfully arrested and charged. I believe he is receiving due process.

Some police state.

hawkeye10 wrote:

You believe that might makes right, and that the state should have the might.....you are an advocate for the police state. You dont give a damn about human rights, you are a disgrace to America and an enemy to everything that America stands for.

That sounds too strong a denunciation to me, Hawkeye; unreasonable,
tho I still wish that we 'd hear an expression of her rationale
qua making statements to the police,
relative to the expressed positions of the Law Professor
and the Police Officer.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

That sounds too strong a denunciation to me, Hawkeye; unreasonable,
tho I still wish that we 'd hear an expression of her rationale
qua making statements to the police,
relative to the expressed positions of the Law Professor
and the Police Officer.

Prepare yourself for a long wait.

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@hawkeye10,

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You however are not capable of debating public policy without demonizing those who dont agree with you

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you are a disgrace to America and an enemy to everything that America stands for

You never "demonize" people, do you, Hawkeye?

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@izzythepush,

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For a Newbie you've certainly got him sussed.

Did I really write Newby? Smile

Not at all, when someone speaks from the heart it's evident.

When someone totally disregards it and carrys on for self gain, yet again, it's evident..

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@firefly,

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You never "demonize" people, do you, Hawkeye?

I never said that I do not, however I work on a merit basis, I am not doing it with a focus on winning the point as you do....as you try to shut up all those who dont agree with you, as well as try to keep their points from getting a fair hearing if your bulling tactics dont work to gain silence. As you prove with your continual dishonesty in debate you care a lot more about winning the point than you do about honor.

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somebody better call the waaaaaaaambulance...

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@izzythepush,

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Hawkeye can be a real hoot. Who needs to use reason, when you can make wild leaps in logic?

And I love the leaps in logic. First he says the U.S. has an uncivilized criminal justice system, but then I'm an enemy of America, and everything America stands for, if I support it. Rolling Eyes

And he fails to see that people's "human rights" are protected by laws which are in place to help keep people from being victimized, and injured, and killed, by the unlawful actions of others, like drunk driving. He seems to forget that Barry Lancaster is the one who has been deprived of his most basic human right--his right to life.

He's a laugh riot.

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@izzythepush,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

That sounds too strong a denunciation to me, Hawkeye; unreasonable,
tho I still wish that we 'd hear an expression of her rationale
qua making statements to the police,
relative to the expressed positions of the Law Professor
and the Police Officer.

izzythepush wrote:

Prepare yourself for a long wait.

I wonder Y ! ? ?
She already spoke on the subject before; I 'm only pursuing the point
for greater elucidation, in contemplation of interesting comments
on the subject by respectable experts.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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I wonder Y !? ?

I'm not in the mood to discuss it.

Maybe some other time.

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I just don’t understand drinking and driving
Forums: Dui, Manslaughter, Legal, Drinking And Driving

How oh how can this be when Firefly tells us that this thread is about Thom, Barry and St Pete? Could it be that we members of A2K at least for the moment have the ability to disagree with her as demonstrated by the tags that we have elected to use for this thread? I wonder for how long would this level of freedom last it we were to follow her where she wants to go......

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@hawkeye10,

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As you prove with your continual dishonesty in debate you care a lot more about winning the point than you do about honor.

I'm discussing issues, in a discussion there are no winners or losers.

You're the one who's trying to turn it into a debate because you can't stop competing--you are preoccupied with winning and losing and your need to win.

You're also preoccupied with turning the thread into another soapbox for your usual anti-government rant--to make the discussion focus on your preconceived views--even though this particular drunk driving case, based on what we know, doesn't fit your script about the government unfairly bullying anyone. This man is accused of violating some existing laws, he was lawfully arrested and charged, and he is receiving due process.
The system seems to be working just as it should in this case. And that seems to drive you nuts, Hawkeye. It deprives you of an excuse to get up on your soapbox. Laughing

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@hawkeye10,

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I just don’t understand drinking and driving
Forums: Manslaughter, Drinking And Driving, Dui, Barry Lancaster, Thom Swift

Tracks now covered....nice! Arn't those hamsters so ever helpful......

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