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I just don’t understand drinking and driving

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 01:54 pm
@DrewDad,
It look like your comments is becoming worthless to the point where the ignore function is about to be call for.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 02:05 pm
@DrewDad,
Bill's put me on ignore. It's great, I can have proper conversations without having to respond to his inane remarks. Keep going Drew, you're almost there mate.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 02:07 pm
@izzythepush,
the irony police will be here shortly...
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 02:08 pm
@Rockhead,
I know, it has taken one hell of a lot of name calling to get where I am today, but I think it was worth it.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 02:12 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

It look like your comments is becoming worthless to the point where the ignore function is about to be call for.

Imagine my dismay at being ignored by a child-porn-loving, woman-hating, ill-mannered, barely decipherable, thought-errored poltroon.
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justdontunderstand
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 09:29 pm
Ok, Ok he killed a man and it should be on his concious that he left the scene and could have activley given this man some type of first aide that he could have still been alive. If he was found rather quickly after hitting the man he probably called them, especially if they knew exactly where to find hm at. Not enough information in tis story!!!! What about the lady in north Tampa that went home after hitting 3 children, in which one of the children were killed and the other two were seriously hurt. She went home , had her car washed and we did not know for almost a week who acually hit those children. This incident is no different! Whose to say she was not drunk at the time and had to g home to sobber up. This is the same scenario she got away with basically a slap on the wrist. Our justice system!!! Its a shame if you have money to get a high paid lawyer you would get away with murder!!!! I think if you drive drunk you should never get your license back!
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 09:41 pm
@justdontunderstand,
This thread has suddenly gotten "FreakShow" funny.I love Bills command of English and Hawkees kamikazee suicides.

Then youve shown up. (my day is complete)
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 10:07 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
In the 'same conditions,' a sober driver would be more alert, and less likely to have an accident, and there's very little chance they would flee the scene.
Thay have done it many times.
Sometimes, thay have been dragged out of their cars.





izzythepush wrote:
That's why it's very important to make the decision NOT to drink and drive.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 10:32 pm
@firefly,
BillRM wrote:
Drinking by itself with no showing that the drinking was the primary cause of an accident should not result in a manslaughter conviction any more then driving tired or driving when emotionally upset or in a hundreds of other sub par conditions.
firefly wrote:
The fact that the driver was under the influence meant that his driving abilities were, by definition, already impaired.
Where did you get the idea that intoxication has to be the primary cause of the accident?
If the drunk is stopped at a red lite,
with his transmission in park, maybe fallen asleep, when decedent hits him,
he shud not be convicted of manslaughter.



firefly wrote:
The Florida statute does not say that.

Is is illegal to drive while emotionally upset?
Is it illegal to drive when tired? No, but It is possible that you could
drive extremely recklessly or negligently while upset or tired,
and, if you killed someone as a result, you could be charged with vehicular manslaughter.

In the case of a DUI, the driver has ingested chemical substances which impair the functioning of the brain and central nervous system in ways which adversely affect the ability to operate a motor vehicle in a safe manner. When a driver has a BAC level > .08 alcohol can be assumed
Yes, but anything can be ASSUMED about anything.
That assumption need not be consistent with the facts;
e.g., it was long assumed that the Sun
moved in a circle around the Earth.




firefly wrote:
to be a factor in almost any accident they are involved in that results in the death of another human being. mainly because it is difficult to exclude these existing influences. The driver is under the influence. Since alcohol affects visual acuity, depth perception, night vision, and reaction time, an intoxicated driver is more likely to hit a cyclist who is traveling with or without lights on his bike, or to hit many other things as well, than a sober driver. In addition, intoxicated drivers would be more likely to ignore traffic signs, speed limits, weather conditions, road conditions, and other external factors that require attention for safe driving.
Sober drivers do it too.





firefly wrote:
The state can assume
Anyone can assume anything,
regardless of whether it is factually correct.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 10:44 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
the irony police will be here shortly...
Let's hope that thay don 't get cawt in the rain (be rusty). . .
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 11:00 pm
@justdontunderstand,
justdontunderstand wrote:
Ok, Ok he killed a man and it should be on his concious that he left the scene
and could have activley given this man some type of first aide
What if he were threatening retributive violence,
or, if he were dead??



justdontunderstand wrote:
that he could have still been alive. If he was found rather quickly after hitting the man he probably called them, especially if they knew exactly where to find hm at. Not enough information in tis story!!!! What about the lady in north Tampa that went home after hitting 3 children, in which one of the children were killed and the other two were seriously hurt. She went home, had her car washed and we did not know for almost a week who acually hit those children. This incident is no different! Whose to say she was not drunk at the time and had to g home to sobber up.
U mean like Ted Kennedy in Chappaquiddick in 1969,
when he swam to the hotel, leaving Mary Jo in the car??





justdontunderstand wrote:
This is the same scenario she got away with basically a slap on the wrist.
U mean like Ted Kennedy in Chappaquiddick in 1969,
when he swam to the hotel, leaving Mary Jo in the car??




justdontunderstand wrote:
Our justice system!!! Its a shame if you have money to get a high paid lawyer
you would get away with murder!!!!
U mean like Ted Kennedy in Chappaquiddick in 1969,
when he swam to the hotel, leaving Mary Jo in the car??

Do u want defendants to be limited
to only using lawyers that charge low fees ?





David
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 11:03 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
that Ted Kennedy thing really steams you, huh dave...
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 11:10 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
that Ted Kennedy thing really steams you, huh dave...
No. (Truth be told, I got a chuckle about it when he did it).
It cost him his presidential career; sorry about Mary Jo,
but if u hang around with certain types of (leftist) people . . .
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 11:18 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
that's kinda funny dave, as my policy is I don't hang around with anyone carrying a firearm.

I'm much less likely to be shot that way.

I'll take my chances on drowning. I can swim...
Ceili
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 11:23 pm
Ya, those lefties will drown you every chance they get...
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 11:34 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
that's kinda funny dave, as my policy is I don't hang around with anyone carrying a firearm.
OK. We can live with that.


Rockhead wrote:
I'm much less likely to be shot that way.
Well, . . . Rocky, if u get mugged
and if the mugger has a firearm, how do u handle that?????



Rockhead wrote:
I'll take my chances on drowning. I can swim...
I 've heard that pumice floats.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 11:35 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I don't get mugged, dave.

I promise...
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 11:42 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:
Ya, those lefties will drown you every chance they get...
Not Kennedy!! NO, NO!
Mary Jo did not drown; she suffocated in her air pocket,
while Ted was in the hotel conferring long distance
with his political advisors and with his attorneys. He got some good fone time in!

Unlike Thom Swift, Ted reported the ax sometime the next day.

Unfortunately, Mary Jo's oxygen did not last that long. That water must have felt cold !
( U think she was yelling for HELP ?? )

I guess he must have been right, because he stayed out of prison; not even jail.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 11:54 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
that's kinda funny dave, as my policy is I don't hang around with anyone carrying a firearm.


Let see by not hanging around with arm citizens you not only loss the charming company of David but myself and my wife.

Oh and a few millions others Americans also.

Also some of those arm citizens like my wife and I even vote for Obama and plan to do so again in fact would not vote for a Republican under any condition.

Interesting world we live in.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2012 11:37 am
Swift's case was back in court today for a hearing to discuss amending conditions of his bail.

From the information I have found, it appears that his bail conditions might have included a requirement to wear a S.C.R.A.M. bracelet/monitor--a device which detects the presence of alcohol in someone's system through their perspiration.
http://www.floridasafety.org/alcohol-monitoring.asp

Quote:
Because all drinking driver cases involve an at least alleged use of alcohol, it is not unusual for the courts to require abstinence from alcohol while the case is pending. It is also common to make continued abstinence a term of probation. The dilemma for the courts then becomes how to best monitor the offender so that there is some reasonable assurance that the court’s order is being obeyed. Traditionally the courts have employed various methods for this purpose, including random or daily breath testing, attendance at Alcoholics Anonymous or even a breath alcohol tether installed at the offender’s home. While each method presents its own host of problems, one common shortfall is that none of them is continuous.

To address this perceived need for alcohol monitoring generally, as well the shortfalls of all the available methods, a company that calls itself Alcohol Monitoring Systems, Inc.® (AMS) patented a device known by the acronym SCRAM® (Secure Continuous Remote Alcohol Monitor). Secure Continuous Remote Alcohol Monitor. The SCRAM device is worn as an ankle bracelet, and while in place the device monitors the subject’s blood alcohol transdermally, meaning it measures the migration of alcohol through the offender’s skin. The measurements obtained are then converted from a perspiration alcohol level to a blood alcohol content. While the common acronym for blood alcohol is BAC, and for breath BrAC, AMS saw fit to trademark a new acronym TAC for this purpose, which now means transdermal alcohol content.

The idea of using perspiration for BAC dates back to the 1930s. Several studies in the last three decades have shown that there is a fairly good correlation between the amount of alcohol in one’s perspiration and the amount in one’s blood. Because of recent advances in technology,1 the devices used to measure perspired alcohol have gotten small enough to be fashioned into something that can be worn continuously, take continuous transdermal measurements, and transmit these measurements to a central monitoring facility.
http://www.baronedefensefirm.com/scram.html


I am not positive, but it appears that Swift's defense attorney's motion to delete the requirement of the SCRAM monitor was granted, but he is still under an order not to consume alcohol.
 

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