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I just don’t understand drinking and driving

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 12:58 pm
@izzythepush,
Things are so different in the U.S.

Just the concept of elected sheriffs is bizarre to consider from this side of the border.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 12:59 pm
@ehBeth,
Over here Cameron is trying to get elected police chiefs despite widespread antipathy.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 01:06 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
His study also found that lower socio-economic status also tends to correlate positively with the chances that someone will drive while under the influence.

Driving under the influence, based only on self reports of such behavior, is not the same as actual arrests made for DUI related offenses.
Quote:
the second (older) link addresses the arrests

That link is not only older, the studies it cites are a good 20-30 years old.

In the past several decades, law enforcement regarding DUI has increased, as have the penalties in many cases. That increase in enforcement can affect demographic statistics, including socioeconomic status of those actually arrested and convicted. Except, arrest and conviction records for DUI related offenses do not indicate the individual's net worth, so I don't know how one could even obtain really accurate info.

Meanwhile, the man we are discussing in this thread is apparently middle class, and he was able to post bail. Most middle class people arrested for the same or similar offenses would probably be able to post bail as well.

If indigents are arrested on similar charges they possibly could not post bail.

It's always better to have money if you get arrested for DUI.

It's even better not to drink and drive so you won't get arrested.



ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 01:10 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
In the past several decades, law enforcement regarding DUI has increased, as have the penalties in many cases. That increase in enforcement can affect demographic statistics, including socioeconomic status of those actually arrested and convicted.


the NPR reports (from 2010) do not support your contention

bring in the evidence to support what you are suggesting is the case

(the research is being done, I'm reading it - it's not going white and middle class)
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 01:16 pm
@firefly,
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most of those arrested are guilty as charged, particularly in the case of DUI, which is why they are only too happy to accept a plea which offers them a less harsh penalty and/or less severe charges.


Given that 90 percents plus are not found guilty of DUI by a jury we only know that most are pressure to take a plead deal.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 01:18 pm
@izzythepush,
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Over here you're either granted bail or held on remand based on flight risk, liklihood of witness intimidation and the seriousness of the crime. Money rarely comes into it.

The same is true here. But it might also include whether you might be a threat to the community if released on bail.

Money will only come into it if it increases the possibly you might be a flight risk, or, if you are so wealthy you could definitely afford to forfeit a lower bail and flee. So Bernie Madoff's $10 million bail (I think that was the amount), also took into account his resources, as well as the other factors.

BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 01:19 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
the U.S. justice/prison system has become an industry
.

We are not getting privately run prisons and one judge had already been found guilty of sentencing minors to private minors prisons for kick backs for very minor misdeeds.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 01:21 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
Over here you're either granted bail or held on remand based on flight risk, liklihood of witness intimidation and the seriousness of the crime. Money rarely comes into it.

The same is true here. But it might also include whether you might be a threat to the community if released on bail.

Money will only come into it if it increases the possibly you might be a flight risk, or, if you are so wealthy you could definitely afford to forfeit a lower bail and flee. So Bernie Madoff's $10 million bail (I think that was the amount), also took into account his resources, as well as the other factors.




In America justice = money. Period.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 01:28 pm
@BillRM,
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Given that 90 percents plus are not found guilty of DUI by a jury we only know that most are pressure to take a plead deal.

And the main pressure is that >.08+ BAC level.

To counter the state's evidence, they'd have to prove they were not legally impaired, or the testing procedure was contaminated, etc.

Most people don't want to go to trial on a DUI for that reason. They cannot dispute the evidence that they were DUI.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 01:28 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
if you were unjustly accused of a crime you did not commit, would you cop a plea to avoid a trial? Honestly?


So you would sit in jail for a year or more just waiting for a trial when in many cases you could walk free by pleading guilt to some lessor crime innocent or not?




Why are you nswering my question with another question? I have nowhere indicated what I would do, cop a plea or plead 'not guilty'.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 01:57 pm
@ehBeth,
Having read the report you posted, I will concede that there are more people who do not post bail than I would have thought.

The report you posted referred to people with bail in the $1000 range, though. Is that really a conspiracy on the part of the prosecutors to ruin people financially?
DannyVboy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 02:04 pm
@jcboy,
Hey I found you here, haven’t seen you boys around town for a while. I read this whole post, you’re right! And everyone knows that wasn’t the first time that man drove him after 2am. What a mess he’s in. This is Danny V, give me a call sometime hot stuff!
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 02:28 pm
@DrewDad,
If people don't have $400, then $1000 bail could ruin them.

There are more reports on the subject. The NPR mini-series and the materials behind them were eye-opening.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 02:34 pm
@ehBeth,
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There has been a response to the argument that poor defendants cannot get out of jail on bail because they cannot afford it. In the state of New Jersey, like many states throughout the country, a defendant can secure a bail bond by agreeing to pay the fee, which is normally ten percent of the bond amount over time. Throughout the industry this is commonly referred to as a payment plan. In theory, this may seem like a good idea; however, if a defendant fails to make a payment, the bail bond company does not have the right to revoke the bail that was set by a judge. This allows a defendant to be released on bail without ever paying the premium owed to the bail bond company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bail

So, while that system might not aways benefit the bailbond company, it would make it easier for an indigent defendant to make bail.
DannyVboy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 03:39 pm
@jcboy,
How many Homo's are on this site? lmao.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 05:09 pm
@DannyVboy,
We're all people... Does it matter? Smile
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 05:12 pm
Remembering the victim of the DUI accident we have been discussing in this thread.
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Obituary for Barry Lancaster

Barry L. Lancaster, 47, of St. Petersburg, Fla., formerly of Bradley, died Dec. 23, 2011, in St. Petersburg. Visitation will be from 11 a.m. Friday, Jan. 6, until the 1 p.m. funeral services at the Clancy-Gernon-Hertz Funeral Home, west Kankakee. Pastor Karl Koeppen will officiate.

Burial will be in Mound Grove Gardens of Memory, Kankakee. Memorials may be made to the family wishes.

Mr. Lancaster was a truck driver for many years. He was born Dec. 22, 1964, in Kankakee, the son of Donald and Jacqueline Larkins Lancaster. He was an avid bowler. He enjoyed all sports, especially the Chicago teams. He loved the outdoors, fishing, loud music and being around friends and family.

Surviving are one son, Anthony "AJ" Lancaster, of Kankakee; two daughters, Ashli Lancaster and Amanda Lancaster, both of Kankakee; one granddaughter, Abby; his mother, of Tilton; two sisters and brothers-in-law, Karen and Keith Hoskins, of Tilton, and Vanessa and Ken Sackett, of Lake Placid, Fla.; one brother and sister-in-law, Ronald and Denise Lancaster, of Bradley; and many nieces and nephews.

His father died Dec. 28, 2011.
http://www.clancygernon.com/obituaries/Barry-Lancaster/#/Obituary

Quite a loss for this family in one week since both Barry Lancaster and his father died within 5 days of each other.
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 05:12 pm
@DannyVboy,
one more now apparently Mr. Green
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 05:13 pm
@DannyVboy,
DannyVboy wrote:

How many Homo's are on this site? lmao.


Most states it would be illegal to ask that question on, say, a job application.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 05:14 pm
@firefly,
firefly, thanks for that update

he was a father and grandfather
 

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