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I just don’t understand drinking and driving

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2012 05:50 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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Women are used, by men like you who get pissed of with the ex Mrs and for a period of time hate women. All they are after is the quick dip when all the


Lord and here I was stupid enough to treat you as a serous poster/person and answer your questions is a straight forward and honest manner.

I love that somehow I got that women are used by men like me whatever that means and something about viewing porn over and over and so on.

Never hated women for a second after my divorce not even my ex-wife but I did have serous serous trust issues for decades afterward. Those trust issues did interfere with some of my post ex-wife period relationships but the harm was mainly done to myself in missing out in forming long lasting relationships due to those issues until I was lucky to had met my current wife and partner.

Oh and jumping anything that move for my sexual enjoyment. Where did that come from?

Sorry dear but first no one male, female or the devil or even god him or herself would had a chance in trying to abused or used my wife.

As far as making use of other women I do not think that you could find a woman over the decades in my post ex-wife period that been in my life that would feel that way but who can know for sure.

You surprise me that for sure and not in a nice way.

Now I am going to log off and go and tell my wife how luck I am to have her in my life.

FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2012 06:24 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Now I am going to log off and go and tell my wife how luck I am to have her in my life.


You should be saying that to her every day.. And, if this place made you feel the need to do so, then it means in reflection, you appreciate what you have, verses what you had.

I can only "assume" until stated otherwise, based on what you go on and on and on about to Firefly and your comments about the distaste and why you took so long to re-marry as you mentioned your ex-wife, not the women before her can't I?

Past is past for a reason. Spending decades, with no trust I wouldn't wish on anyone.. You just move on and learn and know what you want and don't want next time.

BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2012 08:54 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Not trusting not being wise?

Well that is easy to say to a victim of a a broken major trust relationship such as a marriage that he or she should just forget it and offer another person the same level of trust but it is a hard thing to do.

Never could understand how someone could get his or her final divorce papers one day and married the next day to another person.

My friend and best man at my 2006 wedding was also the friend that in 1981 I gave a written statement to, that I would never never be stupid enough to get remarried in my life.

He told me he ripped up his house looking for that paper to give it back to me on my wedding day but could not find it after 25 years.

firefly
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2012 09:19 pm
@BillRM,
You said this to Found Soul--who lives in Australia...
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But no no no there is not such thing as drink driving..............

Drunk Driving not Drink Driving .............

Drunk: Affected by alcohol to the extent of losing control of one's faculties or behavior.

drink/driNGk/Verb: Take (a liquid) into the mouth and swallow.
Noun: A liquid that can be swallowed as refreshment or nourishment.

It a U not an I once more there is no such thing as drink driving it is drunk driving as in D*R*U*N*K...............

Drink driving does not make any sense in either meaning or English rules of usage.

Oh really? There is no such thing as "drink driving"?
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Drink driving is a factor in about one in every five crashes in NSW where someone loses their life. Of the drink drivers who are killed, 97 per cent are men and 64 per cent are under the age of 40.

You don't have to be drunk to be affected by alcohol. You might feel normal but no one drives well after drinking alcohol.

Novice drivers with any level of alcohol in their blood are at a much higher risk of crashing. This is why learner and provisional licence holders are restricted to a zero alcohol limit.

Getting back to zero (sobering up), takes a long time. No amount of coffee, food, physical activity or sleep will speed up the process.

In NSW, police have the power to:
•Stop drivers at random to test for alcohol.
•Arrest drivers who have an illegal BAC level
•Arrest drivers they believe are impaired by drugs including alcohol, and conduct a blood and urine test
•Require a driver to undergo a sobriety test in certain circumstances.

Since the introduction of Random Breath Test (RBT) in 1982, fatal crashes involving alcohol have dropped from around 40 per cent of all fatalities to the current level of 19 per cent.

Last year police conducted more than 4.5 million breath tests in NSW.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/alcoholdrugs/drinkdriving/index.html


So, are you going to admit you are wrong, BillRM? There is indeed such a thing as "drink driving". Are you going to apologize to Found Soul for berating her over something that was due to your ignorance?

You also said this to Found Soul...
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Interesting however that in the states where they use roadblocks to search for low level BAC drivers the death rates had gone up not down and not so in the states that does not use that law enforcement tool is it not?

No BillRM, wrong again.
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Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in a 2002 Traffic Injury Prevention report, found that in general, the number of alcohol related crashes was reduced by 20% in states that implement sobriety checkpoints compared to those that do not.
http://www.cdc.gov/MotorVehicleSafety/Impaired_Driving/checkpoint.html

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More than 17,000 people die and half a million are injured every year from an entirely preventable cause of death, alcohol-related crashes. That's one death every half hour. Research shows that the best ways to reduce these numbers are high-profile enforcement efforts, especially regularly conducted sobriety checkpoints. Recent studies found such checkpoints can cut the death toll by 20 percent...

Critics also contend increased sobriety checkpoints ignore the root cause of today's impaired driving problem, hardcore abusers. But the typical DWI is a first-time offender. Sobriety checkpoints are effective for both first-time offenders and hardcore abusers, who may repeatedly escape police detection by routine traffic patrols.
http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=637&issue_id=72005

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Research has shown that checkpoints prevent impaired driving. A review of more than 20 studies shows that checkpoints resulted in a median 20% decrease in impaired driving crashes and deaths.
http://www.cdc.gov/Motorvehiclesafety/alcoholbrief/index.html


So BillRM, are you going to admit you are wrong? Dead wrong in fact.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2012 09:23 pm
@firefly,
Hello Firefly.............
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2012 10:10 pm
@BillRM,
So BillRM, are you going to admit you are wrong? Dead wrong in fact.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2012 10:59 pm
@firefly,
Everyone had a study Firefly but is seem beyond question if you get those officers out on the road instead at a road block you get far far better results.

States that do not have road blocks are having less deaths then those who do as the police in those states are out on patrol instead looking for the hammer drivers not the .08 drivers.


http://www.americanlawyeracademy.com/california-dui-checkpoints-effectiveness


Quote:
In 2008, only 5,000 of the total 215,000 California DUI arrests took place at sobriety checkpoints (2.3%).
■Law enforcement officials concede that DUI checkpoints are not the best way to prevent drunk driving. As Riverside County (Calif.) Sheriff Stanley Sniff told USA Today: “We make light-years more arrests on random patrols than at checkpoints.”
■A comparative study by the FBI found that saturation patrols were the most effective means of apprehending drunk drivers.
■A 2009 University of Maryland study found that checkpoints do not have “any impact on public perceptions, driver behaviors or alcohol-related crashes, police citations for impaired driving, and public perceptions of alcohol-impaired driving risk.”
This is not to suggest that DUI checkpoints do not have value in deterring drunk driving in California. However, given that they do not raise the same legal concerns as DUI checkpoints and have proven to be more effective in arresting drunk drivers, saturation patrols may be a better option.


http://www.totaldui.com/news/articles/breathalyzer/checkpoints.aspx


However, whether legal or unconstitutional, questions remain about the effectiveness of the DUI checkpoints that are conducted. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has conducted studies to determine just how effective the DUI roadblocks are in the United States and have found that officers on regular patrol duty take three times more drunk drivers off the roads than those at DUI checkpoints.

Other studies have been done and have concluded that the 11 states that do not have DUI sobriety checkpoints actually have fewer alcohol related fatalities than those states that use their police resources to conduct the DUI roadblocks. These statistics certainly give further indication that police on regular patrol duty have a better chance of keeping drunk drivers off the road that police officers who conduct DUI checkpoints.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2012 11:17 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
alcohol-related crashes.


That another joke as if anyone including a passenger had a .01 or greater BAC then it is somehow alcohol related talk about pumping up numbers.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2012 11:36 pm
@firefly,
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Sobriety checkpoints are effective for both first-time offenders and hardcore abusers, who may repeatedly escape police detection by routine traffic patrols.


http://duijusticelink.aaa.com/issues/detection/sobriety-checkpoints

one study found that only 38% of drivers with a BAC of 0.08 or above were detected during a routine sobriety checkpoint (Wells, 1997), indicating the challenges law enforcement have in consistently detecting hardcore and other drunk drivers.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2012 11:51 pm
@BillRM,
checkpoints are tools of the police state and routine events in lawless regions, that we have them is a disgrace. my state has not done them for over 20 years but of course much of the political leadership wants to start them up again. our current gov made a push in 08, and there is a bill currently in the house to restart check points.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2012 11:56 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Officers staffing a checkpoint in Murrieta over the weekend nabbed 19 people, most of them for license violations, a sergeant said.

Patrol officers swarming the city also arrested one motorist suspected of driving while impaired on drugs and one passenger suspected of being under the influence of drugs.

The checkpoint was staffed between 8:15 p.m. Friday and 2:30 a.m. Saturday on Clinton Keith Road, west of Interstate 215. according to Murrieta police Sgt. Jay Froboese.

Officers pulled 33 vehicles -- out of 701 screened -- into a secondary location for closer inspection; of those 33 drivers, 12 were ticketd for allegedly driving on suspended licenses.

Another four were cited for allegedly driving without valid licenses; two were arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence, and one passenger was arrested for alleged possession of methamphetamine.

http://murrieta.patch.com/articles/19-motorists-nabbed-at-murrieta-dui-checkpoint-2-others-by-patrol

i find it hilarious that so many liberals are fine with spot checks to see if drivers are on the road legally, but these same people have a fit if the police use the same exact tactic to screen and check to see if people are in America legally.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 8 Sep, 2012 12:34 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Officers staffing a checkpoint in Murrieta over the weekend nabbed 19 people, most of them for license violations, a sergeant said.

Patrol officers swarming the city also arrested one motorist suspected of driving while impaired on drugs and one passenger suspected of being under the influence of drugs.

The checkpoint was staffed between 8:15 p.m. Friday and 2:30 a.m. Saturday on Clinton Keith Road, west of Interstate 215. according to Murrieta police Sgt. Jay Froboese.

Officers pulled 33 vehicles -- out of 701 screened -- into a secondary location for closer inspection; of those 33 drivers, 12 were ticketd for allegedly driving on suspended licenses.

Another four were cited for allegedly driving without valid licenses; two were arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence, and one passenger was arrested for alleged possession of methamphetamine.
hawkeye10 wrote:
i find it hilarious that so many liberals are fine with spot checks to see if drivers are on the road legally, but these same people have a fit if the police use the same exact tactic to screen and check to see if people are in America legally.
That 's a SUPERB point!!


Is there a REASON that u don't capitalize the beginnings of your sentences??

R u equally as careful with the management of your restaurant???????





David
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 8 Sep, 2012 12:40 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Is there a REASON that u don't capitalize the beginnings of your sentences??

My keyboard is dying and I am too busy to deal with it.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 8 Sep, 2012 12:42 am
@firefly,
Talking about NSW...(Australia) Smile

I'll add South Aussie... cause I come from there.

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Drink Driving is one of the main causes of road deaths in South Australia. Each year over a third of drivers and riders killed in road crashes have a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) over the legal limit of 0.05 - the majority more than three times over the legal limit.

Of these drivers and riders killed who were over the legal limit of 0.05:

•86% are male
•39% are aged 20-29 years
•60% are killed on rural roads
•65% are at least three to four times over the legal limit.


Whoa I thought ours was .07, obviously that's changed....

Off course this makes our State look like a bunch of drunks when you look at those figures.

Bill won't apologise but he actually did in his own way, by the penny dropping , and so, he started googling and realised..

My hint was TOMATO or TOMATOE which is the manner in which Australia and America talk differently, let alone peppers, to capsicums or scones to buscuits or white sauce, forgot that one gravy?

Anyways...............................Drink driving - don't do it - law is law

Smile
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 8 Sep, 2012 12:53 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Everyone had a study Firefly but is seem beyond question if you get those officers out on the road instead at a road block you get far far better results.

No, it is "not beyond question" that you get "far better results". In fact, it is very much open to question.
Quote:
Critics also contend increased sobriety checkpoints ignore the root cause of today's impaired driving problem, hardcore abusers. But the typical DWI is a first-time offender. Sobriety checkpoints are effective for both first-time offenders and hardcore abusers, who may repeatedly escape police detection by routine traffic patrols.
http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=637&issue_id=72005

This quote is from the link you posted to support your view that it is better to have police out on patrol than at a roadblock. It does not support what you are saying.
Quote:
This is not to suggest that DUI checkpoints do not have value in deterring drunk driving in California. However, given that they do not raise the same legal concerns as DUI checkpoints and have proven to be more effective in arresting drunk drivers, saturation patrols may be a better option.
http://www.americanlawyeracademy.com/california-dui-checkpoints-effectiveness

They are not talking about having the police just patrol the streets and roads--they are talking about saturation patrols and that is not what you were referring to. You've been referring to regular police patrols. Saturation patrols involve a high concentration of police officers in a particular geographic area.When in this thread have you referred to saturation patrols--can you find that post?
Quote:
Definition: Saturation patrols involve law enforcement deploying additional police officers to targeted roadways during select time periods to detect and apprehend impaired drivers.

Executive Summary: The primary focus for officers during these patrols is to find impaired drivers by observing changes in driving behaviors, while also looking out for any traffic violations by motorists. The behaviors most often assessed are: lane deviation, following too closely, reckless or aggressive driving and/or speeding (Greene, 2003). The intention of this heavier police presence is to increase motorists’ perception that they will be arrested if they drive drunk. Saturation patrols are legal in all 50 states, and do not present many legal issues beyond those associated with routine traffic stops.

More Detail: Measured in arrests per working hour, these blanket patrols are viewed by some as the most effective method of apprehending drunken drivers (Greene, 2003). Saturation patrols can be as effective, or more effective than sobriety checkpoints in apprehending hardcore drunken drivers who often evade checkpoints. Many police departments favor them over sobriety checkpoints for their effectiveness, reduced staffing, and the comparative ease of operating saturation patrols. Adequate publicity is needed though, to reap the deterrence effect more commonly associated with sobriety checkpoints.
http://duijusticelink.aaa.com/issues/detection/saturation-patrols

Saturation patrols are no more a daily occurence than checkpoints/roadblocks are. I have no problem with saturation patrols. They should have more saturation patrols.

The police regularly patrol the streets and roads all the time, and they are not being unduly tied up at an occasional checkpoint. You keep making the same meaningless statements over, and over, and over. And you are wrong.

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States that do not have road blocks are having less deaths then those who do as the police in those states are out on patrol instead looking for the hammer drivers not the .08 drivers.

You got that info from a lawyer's web site looking for business http://www.totaldui.com/news/articles/breathalyzer/checkpoints.aspx and that statement, on that Web site, is completely unsubstantiated by any references, nor does it cite any specific studies, to back it up. That statement is wrong.

Why do you continue to repeat the same WRONG information, after I just cited this in my last post?
Quote:
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in a 2002 Traffic Injury Prevention report, found that in general, the number of alcohol related crashes was reduced by 20% in states that implement sobriety checkpoints compared to those that do not.
http://www.cdc.gov/MotorVehicleSafety/Impaired_Driving/checkpoint.html

Quote:
There is a wealth of other evidence to support the use of sobriety checkpoints as a way to reduce alcohol-related deaths. In a two-year study by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), a statewide sobriety checkpoint program in New Mexico resulted in a 26 percent decline in alcohol-related fatalities.9 In New Jersey, sobriety checkpoints, along with educational programs, resulted in a 10-15 percent decrease in single-vehicle nighttime crashes.10 In Tennessee, NHTSA sponsored a program of highly publicized weekly checkpoints that resulted in a 20 percent reduction of alcohol-related fatalities that continued for 21 months after the program's end.
http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=637&issue_id=72005


SORRY, BILLRM, ONCE AGAIN, YOU FAILED TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ARGUMENT. AND YOU CONTINUE TO POST FACTUALLY INCORRECT INFORMATION.

SO, BILLRM, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG?




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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 8 Sep, 2012 12:53 am
@FOUND SOUL,
Quote:
Drink driving - don't do it - law is law


in many places in America: sodomy - dont do it -law is law
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 8 Sep, 2012 01:02 am
@hawkeye10,

DAVID wrote:
Is there a REASON that u don't capitalize the beginnings of your sentences??
hawkeye10 wrote:
My keyboard is dying and I am too busy to deal with it.
U think THAT is a plausible answer????? Anyone can actually BELIEVE that????

Do u speak that way when the Heath Dept. comes to visit your restaurant????
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 8 Sep, 2012 01:09 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
one study found that only 38% of drivers with a BAC of 0.08 or above were detected during a routine sobriety checkpoint (Wells, 1997), indicating the challenges law enforcement have in consistently detecting hardcore and other drunk drivers.
http://duijusticelink.aaa.com/issues/detection/sobriety-checkpoints

Not that you're being dishonest, or deliberately deceptive, in what you post, naw, BillRM would never stoop to that, just to win an argument, would he? Oh yes, BillRM certainly would stoop to being deliberately deceptive--and he has. Let's look at the entire paragraph you took that sentence from...
Quote:
A systematic review of 15 studies conducted for The Community Guide to Preventive Services concluded that strong evidence exists for the effectiveness of sobriety checkpoints in decreasing the incidence of DUI (CDC, 2002). These checkpoints were found to decrease fatal crashes between 20% and 26%, and property damage collisions by an average of 24% (Elder et al, 2002).While sobriety checkpoints have been shown as effective, one study found that only 38% of drivers with a BAC of 0.08 or above were detected during a routine sobriety checkpoint (Wells, 1997), indicating the challenges law enforcement have in consistently detecting hardcore and other drunk drivers. http://duijusticelink.aaa.com/issues/detection/sobriety-checkpoints


Funny how you omitted the first part of the paragraph, about the effectiveness of sobriety checkpoints. Your desire to win an argument is greater than your regard for the truth.

Do you enjoy making yourself look like a fool, BillRM?

STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG, BILLRM.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 8 Sep, 2012 01:24 am
@firefly,
Quote:
one study found that only 38% of drivers with a BAC of 0.08 or above were detected during a routine sobriety checkpoint (Wells, 1997), indicating the challenges law enforcement have in consistently detecting hardcore and other drunk drivers.
http://duijusticelink.aaa.com/issues/detection/sobriety-checkpoints
firefly wrote:
Not that you're being dishonest, or deliberately deceptive, in what you post, naw, BillRM would never stoop to that, just to win an argument, would he? Oh yes, BillRM certainly would stoop to being deliberately deceptive--and he has. Let's look at the entire paragraph you took that sentence from...
Quote:
A systematic review of 15 studies conducted for The Community Guide to Preventive Services concluded that strong evidence exists for the effectiveness of sobriety checkpoints in decreasing the incidence of DUI (CDC, 2002). These checkpoints were found to decrease fatal crashes between 20% and 26%, and property damage collisions by an average of 24% (Elder et al, 2002).While sobriety checkpoints have been shown as effective, one study found that only 38% of drivers with a BAC of 0.08 or above were detected during a routine sobriety checkpoint (Wells, 1997), indicating the challenges law enforcement have in consistently detecting hardcore and other drunk drivers. http://duijusticelink.aaa.com/issues/detection/sobriety-checkpoints


Funny how you omitted the first part of the paragraph, about the effectiveness of sobriety checkpoints. Your desire to win an argument is greater than your regard for the truth.

Do you enjoy making yourself look like a fool, BillRM?

STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG, BILLRM.
Firefly, I am STILL WAITING for u to GET INTO THE MOOD
to look at those videos and then to CONFESS that u were in error as to the wisdom
of making statements to the police qua crimes where of u r suspected.

U do NOT have the strength of CHARACTER,
u do NOT have the personal HONESTY to admit when u have been mistaken.

Do you enjoy making yourself look like a fool, Firefly?

U only have the strength of character to accuse Bill of your own shortcomings.

Here r the videos that u have so steadfastly avoided:

James Duane is a Professor at Regent Law School in Virginia Beach, Virginia,
where he received the Faculty Excellence Award in the fall of 2002

Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

Officer George Bruch, Virginia Beach Police Dept.

Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 8 Sep, 2012 02:11 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
U think THAT is a plausible answer????? Anyone can actually BELIEVE that????


anyone less disconnected than you are from life as we 99 %'ers live it will, I believe, find my answer plausible. i believe that you are not capable of comprehending that some of us use our computers so long and so hard that the keyboards break down. however your alleged Mensa brain should have saved you when you realized that i rarely failed to capitalize till two months ago.....which happened to be when my main shift key stopped working. i can get the one on the right side, but this is not natural for me and slows me down. being busy as i am i dont like to be slowed down. i also have not gone to an expert to see if i can get the keyboard rehabbed for the same reason of lack of time.

who peed in your Ovaltine tonight anyways? you are usually nicer.
 

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