I just don’t understand drinking and driving

@FOUND SOUL,

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I rest my case.

then you lose. americans generally do not have usable public transit unless they live in the big city, and the other options do not work when needed 5 days a week as either time or money does not extent far enough.

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@hawkeye10,

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the other options do not work when needed 5 days a week as either time or money does not extent far enough.

Found Soul was not referring to a regular 5 day a week commute. She was giving BillRM options, other than driving yourself, for those occasional days when you feel very ill, or impaired by any other factors, and you need to get to work.

Don't you bother to read posts, so you know what she's responding to?

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@FOUND SOUL,

Sorry but is one hell of a lot of areas of this country here is no public transportation available of any kind that can get you where you need to be.

An walking or biking I had done for the enjoyment of doing so up to 17 miles one way to work however that is far from the maximum distance that I had needed to travel in my life.

By the way if you are too sick to drive you are also too sick to bike....or walk so you case is full of holes.

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@FOUND SOUL,

To say nothing of the example I gave where ten thousands or so people using public transportation in the form of trains are not going to be on time to work by an hour or more if I do not drive sick to work.

Once more your logic fail...............

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@BillRM,

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By the way if you are too sick to drive you are also too sick to bike....or walk so you case is full of holes.

Then you're too sick to work,idiot. Unless you don't care what kind of half ass job you do--in which case you might as well stay home.

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To say nothing of the example I gave where ten thousands or so people using public transportation in the form of trains are not going to be on time to work by an hour or more if I do not drive sick to work.

Then you take a taxi, idiot. You said you were making good money.

You are so full of bullshit it must be coming out of your ears.

This picture really should be your avatar. It suits you perfectly.

http://www.adrants.com/images/head_up_ass.jpg

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@firefly,

My my I stated that I am sick enough that it degrade my driving skill which does not need to be all that sick.

You been the one trying to sell the idea that only if you are in perfect shape with zero degrading in driving skill should you drive not me.

Most people commonly drive at less that maximum health and driving skills and there is zero wrong about doing so in my opinion.

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@BillRM,

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Most people commonly drive at less that maximum health and driving skills and there is zero wrong about doing so in my opinion.

Then the people you know are as irresponsible as you are--which figures.

Considering the fact that you don't consider people too impaired to drive at a BAC level of .08, and you'd really like to see the legal BAC at .15, I really don't put any stock in your opinion.

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@firefly,

Yes, we should get the traffic down on the roads to five percents of what it now is if people are as responsible as you think they should be.

Second, I do not remember ever stating that 1.5 should be the BAC limit all I had stated is that .08 is too low and to prove it I had links to studies where the degrading of driving skills at that level is similar to talking not texting on a cell phone when driving or reducing a thirty something driver to the same skills level as a twenty something driver.

The BAC 1.5 to 1.7 is the range where most serious accidents start to occur due to alcohol degrading of driving skills but I have no problem with having safety margins and setting the BAC lower then that just not at half of that figure.

The old standard of 1.0 to maybe 1.1 would be in the ball park as a limit in my opinion.

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@hawkeye10,

Back in college, I knew a grocery bagger who took a taxi to and from work every day.

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@firefly,

I know that facts had little or no influnce on you Firefly but here it the graph that said it all.

http://thenewprohibition.com/images/crash-risk-graph.png

When here it a statment concerning the issue of a .08 bac limit by the founder of MADD.

http://thenewprohibition.com/the-legal-limit.cfm

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I thought the emphasis on .08 laws was not where the emphasis should have been placed. The majority of crashes occur with high blood-alcohol levels, the .15, .18 and .25 drinkers. Lowering the blood-alcohol concentration was not a solution to the alcohol problem."

— Candy Lightner, MADD FounderAnti-Alcohol

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@BillRM,

No, that graph does not say "it all".

You seem to have forgotten, or failed to comprehend, all the info posted in this thread, numerous times, on the significantly impaired driving abilities that can be demonstrated at a BAC of .o8--in fact, alcohol in any amount, negatively affects the functioning of the central nervous system.

But you either fail to recognize impairment, or you try to discount or deny it, and even when you consider yourself impaired by one thing or another, you drive anyway. So you have no interest in either promoting or practicing responsible or safe driving.

Keep drinking, BillRM. Drunk

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One thing I find amusing is Firefly aways try to paint anyone who disagree with her as on the fringe and in short a nut case.

With cartoons thrown in.............

Even when for example the founder of MADD repeat the founder of MADD is saying the same thing I been saying almost word for word I am a drunk who wish to drive or do drive drunk.

The some nonsense when it come to the Federal penality for child porn as once more due to my opinion that those penalities are too harsh I must be a CP collector myself and the hell with the fact that the majority of Federal judges happen to agree with me.

She had no shame at all with her nonsense.

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@firefly,

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You seem to have forgotten, or failed to comprehend, all the info posted in this thread, numerous times, on the significantly impaired driving abilities that can be demonstrated at a BAC of .o8--in fact, alcohol in any amount, negatively affects the functioning of the central nervous system.

If the reduction of driving skills cause by a .08 have little affect on the accident rate then it does not matter and the graph and I and the founder of Madd had said it all cartoon or no cartoon.

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@BillRM,

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Firefly aways try to paint anyone who disagree with her as on the fringe and in short a nut case.

In your case, I really don't have to bother. Your own posts paint you that way. Laughing

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@firefly,

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Considering the fact that you don't consider people too impaired to drive at a BAC level of .08,

i for one am supremely not interested in "impairment". We can measure increased odds of an accident causing injury or death and that is the only metric which justifies the governments taking of our freedom to enjoy the bottle and drive after.

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@firefly,

Well it nice to be in the company of both the founder of MADD and the majortiy of Federal Judges who also must be nuts cases for daring to disagree with a position of your.

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@hawkeye10,

Yes indeed Hawkeye if you can not show a clear raise in the accidents rate at anywhere near to .08 then .08 in too low of a limit.

Poor Firefly I can always tell when the facts are getting to her as she then posted one cartoon after the other and increase her Ad hominem attacks.

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@hawkeye10,

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i for one am supremely not interested in "impairment". We can measure increased odds of an accident causing injury or death and that is the only metric which justifies the governments taking of our freedom to enjoy the bottle and drive after.

Those increased odds of having an accident, and causing injuries, and deaths, are the reason we have DUI laws--with the current BAC limit set at .08. And that's just about the highest legal limit found anywhere in the world. At .08 BAC, a driver is 11 times more likely than the non-drinking driver to be involved in a crash.

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How Dangerous Is Drinking and Driving?

A driver with a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) of 0.10 or greater is seven times more likely to be involved in a fatal motor vehicle crash than is a driver who has not consumed alcoholic beverages, and a driver with an alcohol concentration of 0.15 or greater is about 25 times more likely.

Basically, the more you drink the more likely you are to have an accident, and a fatal one. The same applies for the likelihood of having any vehicle accident, fatal or otherwise. Here's the cold hard facts:

More Likely to Have a Crash

A 160-pound person drinking two beers within an hour would probably have a BAC of 0.04, well below the legal limits of driving under the influence, but 1.4 times more likely to have an accident than someone who is sober.
Two more beers? The likelihood of an accident goes up almost tenfold. At .08 BAC, a driver is 11 times more likely than the non-drinking driver to be involved in a crash. As the amount of alcohol in the driver's system rises mathematically on the BAC scale, the likelihood of a traffic accident multiples.

Two more beers? Up to a six-pack now? The likelihood of having an accident is now 48 times higher than the abstainer and the driver has just now passed the 0.10 BAC level.
http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/drive/a/aa070297.htm

I wonder whether Thom Swift doesn't regret exercising his "freedom to enjoy the bottle and drive after."

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@BillRM,

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If the reduction of driving skills cause by a .08 have little affect on the accident rate then it does not matter and the graph and I and the founder of Madd had said it all cartoon or no cartoon.

If you wrote that incoherent sentence while sober, you're in sad, sad, shape old man. Drunk

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@firefly,

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Those increased odds of having an accident, and causing injuries, and deaths, are the reason we have DUI laws--with the current BAC limit set at .08

Not by other figures that seem valid sources as in the NHTSA graph. You know the national highway traffic safety adminstation.

But let post the graph one more time.............

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