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What is free will?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:29 pm
@Olivier5,
I remember it being called "French Morocco" at one time. When we used to go to Marrakech, we got together with some French paratroopers once, and we spent the day drinking wine and talking with hand language. We had a great time, and by the time the MP's came around to take us back to the base for being too roudy, they took our French Paratrooper insignias that we traded them for ours.

What a memorable day that was!

One of my oldest buddy is a guy I met at our base in Morocco. We've kept in touch all these years, and I met with him and his daughter last year in Dallas.



mark noble
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:33 pm
@Logicus,
Doing as I choose.
Logicus
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:34 pm
@mark noble,
I see. Any other definitions?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I as in Morocca last autumn. Really nice place, with a smart young king who's managing the political transition otherwise known as Arab Spring quite deftly, and a bright elite... Strong economy is starting to make a big dent on poverty. Peaceful so a strong tourism sector, unlike Egypt or Tunisia. They're doing quite well.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 06:53 pm
@Logicus,
To be able to make a choice that I can call mine, whether it be reasonned, aesthetic, emotional or random.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 06:55 pm
@Olivier5,
Good to hear. On one of my visits to Morocco many years later - after my USAF stint - the local guide in Tangiers said something very interesting. He said that Morocco was one of US's longest allies. He even remembers the American club that used to be in Tangiers - where we got drinks for something like .10c and steak dinner for .25c (or something close to that). Those were the "good ole days." On my trip to Madrid, a small group of us walked into a bar and ordered some wine. That was .03c. We spent the day with a local guide who showed us all over Madrid - even took us to the bull ring. At dinner time, he took us to a restaurant and told us to have dinner, because he was going home to change from his uniform to something more comfortable. After he picked us up at the restaurant, he took us to his neighborhood bars and pubs, and we drank all night long. It was New Year's eve, and his friends wouldn't let us pay for anything.
We gave some money to the kids that were there. Unbelievable.
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mark noble
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 06:56 pm
@Logicus,
Yes.
Doing as I please.
Logicus
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 07:02 pm
@Olivier5,
And do you believe in free will?
Logicus
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 07:03 pm
@mark noble,
Many definitions on the same idea?
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mark noble
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 07:30 pm
@Logicus,
No.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 07:49 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
To be able to make a choice that I can call mine, whether it be emotional or random


Yep, this coming from someone who thinks that the brain is first most a hormonal system yet you think you can suppress hormones by commanding other hormones to conform to your will?

How are you able to suppress some hormones by willing other hormones to comply to your will?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 08:25 pm
@Logicus,
Yes, sorry.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 08:39 pm
@reasoning logic,
How do you think you wrote that post if not by sending electrical impulses and chemical messages (neurotransmitters) through your nervous system?

You can control your actions. You do it all the time, we can translate our wishes and ideas into acts, like commit ideas to paper or keyboard, through some sort of control system that passes EVIDENTLY through the nervous system. Ergo ideas can have control over nerves.

Which does not mean nerves can't have some control over ideas... It's probably a dialogue, a constant flow between one and the other. An homomorphic relation for instance.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 08:41 pm
@Olivier5,
Who posted this video recently showing that people who exercise in their mind can grow the corresponding muscles?
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Logicus
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 08:43 pm
@mark noble,
I see.
Logicus
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 08:44 pm
@Olivier5,
No need to apologize. Stand up for your opinions, even in the face of the majority. Knowledge comes from willpower.
mark noble
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 08:46 pm
@Logicus,
Because 'Free will' is a deitic imposition.
So it is only relative to phantom worshippers.
I make my own decisions.
Logicus
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 08:48 pm
@mark noble,
I understand.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 08:51 pm
@Logicus,
I was joking.
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 11:54 pm
In the broadest sense, our entire legal system presupposes the quality of free will.
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