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Has the media's attacks on Dean been over the top?

 
 
Reply Fri 23 Jan, 2004 09:47 pm
If you think for so much as a second that there was anything unpresidential about Dean's clip, go here...

http://www.idiomstudio.com/

This is the unfiltered version of the clip. The clip aired on tv is one where the audiences sounds were deliberately muted. Considering the context of the speech and the environment, there was NOTHING wrong with it.



I vote yes... here is why...

Over the past few weeks, the media has vehemently and insidiously attacked Dean.

They repeatedly stated that what was nothing more than a cheery pep rally was a display of anger. When Dean left the Martin Luther King rally saying that all the reporters hounding him with questions were disrupting it, he was repeatedly portrayed as the bad guy. When Dean tried to drown out the heckler by singing the national anthem, he was never portrayed positively for this by the media. Instead it was portrayed as though he was the only one singing when the whole auditorium was up in the air singing. When Dean said that he can't balance the budget, offer up healthcare, reform education and still keep the tax cuts intact, he was repeatedly criticized for it while no mention was made of how the other candidates were promising things they couldn't possibly deliver.

Dean's pep rally was not a display of anger, it was a display of enthusiasm meant to raise the spirits of dejected volunteers. The world was not made any safer by Saddam's capture. All candidates try to appeal to the south by talking more openly about their religious beliefs. The reporters knew that Dean was not being rude by leaving the Martin Luther King rally stating that the media hounding him was disrupting the rally. The Iowa caucuses ARE dominated by special interests. Dean simply states outright what politicans and journalists already know to be true.

But the media (both conservative and liberal) has consistently failed to present both sides of the story in all these cases. They repeatedly attacked Dean for these statements when they had an obligation to present both sides of the story and knew in their hearts that Dean was right.

Dean was forced on the defensive by these blatant media attacks. He said that he does intend to reform the tax system. He amended his statement to say that while the world is better off with Saddam gone, the US isn't safer because of it. After repeatedly being attacked for it days before the Iowa caucus, Dean said that was a long time ago and that he intends to make sure the caucuses start in Iowa in 2008 as well. And for this, the media portrayed him as a flip flopper that can't be trusted.

If anything it is Kerry, Clark and Edwards that now say they disagreed with a war that they spoke and voted in favor of. It was them that started out as moderate mini versions of Bush until Dean became popular and they were forced to coopt his stances and make them into their own.

I am not saying that the media was wrong to cover these stories so extensiverly. I am saying it was wrong to consistently fail to present both sides when Dean's reasons for his statements were so obvious. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity.

there are a great many reasons why all of the mainstream media would be hurt by a Dean presidency. He has promised to break up the media conglomerations. He has accused the media of failing to do it's job of presenting the complete truth about Iraq and the WMDs. And the people on the DNC that Dean is criticizing made most of the few liberal hosts on the media what they are. Whether the influence of this is concious or subconcious, it's never the less present.
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2004 08:12 am
Re: Has the media's attacks on Dean been over the top?
Centroles wrote:
I vote yes... here is why...

Over the past few weeks, the media has vehemently and insidiously attacked Dean.


Attacked him? How? By pointing to things he's said in the past and comparing them to what he's been saying since he started running for President? Nooo.. Wouldn't want that!

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They repeatedly stated that what was nothing more than a cheery pep rally was a display of anger.


I haven't seen ANY of the press refer to his pep rally as a display of anger. I've seen it referred to as a "rant" and where he "lost it" but not as anger. Whether it was a "cheery pep rally" or a "fit of anger" it didn't present an image of a poised man in control which is the image he'd been polishing and is now trying to recultivate.

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When Dean tried to drown out the heckler by singing the national anthem, he was never portrayed positively for this by the media. Instead it was portrayed as though he was the only one singing when the whole auditorium was up in the air singing.


Who was supposed to be running the show? Him or his audience? He was the person at the podium. He's the one using the PA system.

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When Dean said that he can't balance the budget, offer up healthcare, reform education and still keep the tax cuts intact, he was repeatedly criticized for it while no mention was made of how the other candidates were promising things they couldn't possibly deliver.


If you haven't seen any critiqing of the other candidates positions then you haven't been looking. But you seem to admitt here that Dean can't keep his promises. The media should ignore that?

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Dean's pep rally was not a display of anger, it was a display of enthusiasm meant to raise the spirits of dejected volunteers. The world was not made any safer by Saddam's capture. All candidates try to appeal to the south by talking more openly about their religious beliefs. The reporters knew that Dean was not being rude by leaving the Martin Luther King rally stating that the media hounding him was disrupting the rally. The Iowa caucuses ARE dominated by special interests. Dean simply states outright what politicans and journalists already know to be true.


And then he back-tracks and says "That's not what I really meant!" It wasn't his initial statements that got him into trouble on most of these. It was his reversal on them when he was asked about them and then, in some cases, a reversion back to his statements a few days later.

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But the media (both conservative and liberal) has consistently failed to present both sides of the story in all these cases. They repeatedly attacked Dean for these statements when they had an obligation to present both sides of the story and knew in their hearts that Dean was right.


The media story here is Dean (and every other candidate), not each and every individual issue. They have an equeal obligation to point out what the candidates are saying and how that compares to what they've said in the past.

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Dean was forced on the defensive by these blatant media attacks. He said that he does intend to reform the tax system. He amended his statement to say that while the world is better off with Saddam gone, the US isn't safer because of it. After repeatedly being attacked for it days before the Iowa caucus, Dean said that was a long time ago and that he intends to make sure the caucuses start in Iowa in 2008 as well. And for this, the media portrayed him as a flip flopper that can't be trusted.


Did he not sit on that Canadian television program and denigrate the caucus system? Did he not change his tax stance?

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If anything it is Kerry, Clark and Edwards that now say they disagreed with a war that they spoke and voted in favor of. It was them that started out as moderate mini versions of Bush until Dean became popular and they were forced to coopt his stances and make them into their own.


Yep. And the press has consistantly mentioned all of this. Is the media being unfair to them too?

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I am not saying that the media was wrong to cover these stories so extensiverly. I am saying it was wrong to consistently fail to present both sides when Dean's reasons for his statements were so obvious. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity.


What you really are complaining about is that the media failed to be Dean's cheerleader. It's kinda funny though because the very same media are the people that brought Dean's name to pretty much every household in the country. Dean's campaign was more than happy with the press as long as they just said that he was the front-runner and while they showed him out-polling the other candidates. So as long as they just threw out fluff about him they were fine. Once things got close to people actually having to cast a ballot they wanted more info and when that info actually came out suddenly "the media" is the boogey-man.

The media is going to dig into every single candidate's background and present everything that every one of them has said and put that against what they are saying now. If Dean didn't understand that going into this race then it only shows that he was unprepared for what was ahead. Politics is dirty business. Did he think that all of the other candidates were just going to let him walk off with the nomination?
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Centroles
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2004 11:34 am
Your posts present dean as flip flopping on his stances. Is it flip flopping to defend/further explain your statements when the media presents only one side of them and recklessly attacks you with them without ever presenting the other possible interpretation, that the statements might indeed be true? Dean has never changed his stance on any of the issues. At worst, he explained his reasoning further, but after the explanation he came back to the same conclusion.

There was nothing inherently negative about any of Dean's gaffes. Yet the media consistently refused to portray both sides of the story. They presented his statements as wrong though deed down they knew they were right. They never bothered to explain both sides of the story. And that is how the media was anti-Dean. While they treat all Bush's statements and lies with the upmost care and don't even bother to cover most of Kerry's gaffes.

And as I have already shown in my post above, there are a great many reasons why all of the mainstream media would be hurt by a Dean presidency. He has promised to break up the media conglomerations. He has accused the media of failing to do it's job of presenting the complete truth about Iraq and the WMDs. And the people on the DNC that Dean is criticizing made most of the few liberal hosts on the media what they are. Whether the influence of this is concious or subconcious, it's never the less present.

The claim that it was the media that built him up is absurd. His campaign was truly built up by internet grassroots.

An year ago, his campaign had a total staff of 7 and a couple of hundreds supporters nationwide and a couple hundred thousand dollars for funds.

He made a few speeches against the Iraq war when it was the unpopular thing to do. None of these speeches were televised nationally or covered much if at all by the print media. But online, people heard about them. The content of the speech struck a cord with people and momentum began to build on line. Even as the coverage of the democratic nominees was just getting underway, the media repeatedly dismissed Dean as someone without any real chance and focused mostly on Kerry (the front runner). The online momentum grew and grew. But it wasn't until it was revealed that this momentum generated 30 million dollars or so already in small donations from people, that Dean rejected federal matching funds and has hundreds of thousands of registered supporters, that the media finally took a look at him.

By the time the media started covering Dean, he already had the most money and the most registered supporters by a long shot. He was already the front runner. He wasn't made by the media. It wasn't until he already amassing a large movement behind him that the print media so much as ran a detailed profile on him and the tv media mentioned him as a serious candidate.

dean's message resonates with people. it wasn't until after this message made him the front runner that the media jumped on the bandwagon and started covering him seriously.
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