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TV: CELEBRITY GHOST STORIES -- Credible ?

 
 
Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2011 12:19 pm

Many members of A2K are strict materialists,
such that thay reject out of hand any notion
of survival of the decomposition of the material human body.
Thay believe that what gets thrown in the hole and buried IS ( was? ) the person, now defunct.

I do not direct this question toward those persons.

What 's going on with this show??
Quite a few (if not a vast army) well known well off celebrities
are coming up with purportedly earnest experiences with ghosts.
Last nite, e.g., Carrie Fisher (Star Wars) the daughter of Eddie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds
had a ghost story. She does not need the publicity. Everyone already knows her.

As a person who has been informed by his surgeon that he died 2ice
during surgery and as a person who has had several out-of-body experiences,
I have no trouble in believing in conscious continuation of life after death of the human body,
but I remain in some doubt qua the large numbers of celebrities
who allege to have had such experiences.

I 'm usually skeptical in my cynicism, but a lot of them don 't need publicity nor more $$

I don 't see that thay have a motive to lie.


WHATAYATHINK
about their motives??

Are the actors n actresses all a bunch of liars? or not ?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2011 01:08 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
no more than these people who preach that near death experiences are the same as "DEATH experiences"
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2011 02:17 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
no more than these people who preach that near death experiences are the same as "DEATH experiences"
Some of them were dead in hospitals for about an hour
before returning to life. U can arbitrarily re-define it if u wanna.

I grew up with the notion that no heartbeat and no breathing = death.
I see no reason to change that.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2011 05:17 pm

Some of the celebrities come across as being very sincere.
I don 't doubt the sincerity of Jimmy Carter in his telling us
of seeing a UFO close by his ship. ( I think he was on a US Navy ship, at the time, was it ??? )

The counter-argument to that is:
of COURSE thay seem sincere! Thay r ACTORS! Whatayaexpect ?


Even so, I get the impression that some of them
r being truthful. I guess that makes me sound gullible.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 05:58 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
grew up with the notion that no heartbeat and no breathing = death.
I see no reason to change that.


Well Dave, medicine moves on. Weve discovered, from studying reptiles like the marine iguana, that certain environments and conditions can set a living being into a state of torpor where the heartbeat stops and circulation apparently is minimal (it relies on chemical diffusion rather than a physical pump).
Our definition of death will need to be revised for sspecific cases just like the 18th century European medical researchers who established a statement that someone must be "sufficiently dead" to be buried without consequence .
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 06:01 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Isnt it strnge that , for all these "reality" shows that purport to go out and hunt for ghosts, HAVE NEVER FOUND ANYTHING YET??
Same thing with Sasquatch. All those bigfoot footprints re <IMHO, fakes done by folks who are clowning around.
Sometimes reality is so fuckin boring that we need to make up stuff to give it some spice.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 06:05 am
@farmerman,
Hence all the myths and wierd and wonderful stories. We like to think they are true because the banal alternative is horrible.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 06:12 am
@spendius,
The English have made a pretty good industry out of ghosts and fairies.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 06:19 am

HAPPY HALLOWEEN, Everyone !





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 06:30 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Isnt it strnge that , for all these "reality" shows that purport to go out and hunt for ghosts, HAVE NEVER FOUND ANYTHING YET??
Same thing with Sasquatch. All those bigfoot footprints re <IMHO, fakes done by folks who are clowning around.
Sometimes reality is so fuckin boring that we need to make up stuff to give it some spice.
Yeah, hoaxsters like to have fun.
Sometimes thay confess, to take credit for their cleverness.
It IS "clowning around"; ( crop circles are another hoax )
but I 'd not include the late Elizabeth Taylor in that,
when she described her near death experience.

I have been a ghost, during my on-the-job in court out-of-body-experiences; therefore,
I have no trouble in believing credible people in their telling of ghost stories,
but I find it hard to believe that SO MANY celebrities
claim to have had such experiences. If it were just a few: OK.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 06:31 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
grew up with the notion that no heartbeat and no breathing = death.
I see no reason to change that.
farmerman wrote:
Well Dave, medicine moves on. Weve discovered, from studying reptiles like the marine iguana, that certain environments and conditions can set a living being into a state of torpor where the heartbeat stops and circulation apparently is minimal (it relies on chemical diffusion rather than a physical pump).
Our definition of death will need to be revised for sspecific cases just like the 18th century European medical researchers who established a statement that someone must be "sufficiently dead" to be buried without consequence.
Thay buried some of them with bells to ring, if thay awoke.
Some of them came back; probably not completely dead,
but tell me: how will we be better off if we abandon
the definition of death of being no EKG, no EEG
and NO respiration for a while, to the point that an M.D.
believes that his best efforts will continue to fail to revive his patient ?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 04:19 pm

Its not likely that the celebrities get paid enuf for the show
to make fools of themselves, perpetrating hoaxes, in my opinion.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2011 04:23 am

Thank u, Hen 2255; that 's very nice of u.

WELCOME to the forum!!!





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 25 Aug, 2012 10:14 pm

UPDATE:

It saddens me to update this thread as follows:
my membership in the audience of this TV show
has led me to a cynical renunciation of the opinion
that I posted in Post: # 4,779,937 of this thread.

DAVID in Post 4,779,937 wrote:
"Its not likely that the celebrities get paid enuf for the show
to make fools of themselves, perpetrating hoaxes, in my opinion."
[BALONEY, David!
U need to be more realistic!! David]


I now find that I was incorrect in believing these actors.
I used to like some of them; I bore them GOOD WILL. (especially the girls)
I still LIKE them, but I don't believe them.

After seeing many additional episodes of this show,
which has alleged that almost every *HAS BEEN*
in Hollywood who has endeavored to attract attention to himself
has been visited by ex-carnated spirits, I find this allegation
no longer to be credible. Its just not plausible.

Upon the basis of my own out-of-body experiences, in the 1970s & 1980s,
I continue to be confident in the existence of conscious life,
independent of the of the human body (and of its expiration),
but I now accept this show only as being entertainment by professional actors n actressses
to promote & to re-generate their respective careers.





David
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ajciafre
 
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Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2013 10:55 pm
@farmerman,
Hollywood is trendy, just like the gay A## hash tag S##T.
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