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What is your Christian response to this?

 
 
revelette
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jan, 2012 07:48 am
@Baldimo,
I seriously doubt the camera man or woman (be interesting to know who filmed it) was focusing on the pee puddle. I also doubt it came down on the ground that much as they were peeing on the dead bodies. Its disgusting, disrespectful and a dangerous thing to do.

I wondered how people were going to condone this, guess now I know. "not enough pee puddle." pathetic

Amos vows to investigate desecration of dead
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jan, 2012 08:26 am
@revelette,
Some people wilfully ignore evidence they don't like. The Whitehouse has already condemned this behaviour, and identified two of the marines in question. If the video was an obvious fake they wouldn't have responded so quickly, and so clearly.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jan, 2012 12:36 pm
@revelette,
Thats just it Revelette, there is no puddle forming on the dead people either. I watched it several times and you do not see any parts of the ground or the bodies getting wet. The Marine's appear to be standing like they are pissing, but I see no stream of urine and no wetness on the bodies. Watch the video and look for the clues that would really show someone pissing instead of just a pissing stance.

Another clue, I haven't heard it but it is said that you can hear one of the Marine's saying something. If that is true, then you should also be able to hear the sound of piss hitting something. Having peed outside a lot I know it isn't that quiet of a sound.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jan, 2012 12:55 pm
@revelette,
I don't know about that.

I grew up attending a Lutheran church. Both pastors and all of the Sunday School teachers told us that the 4th Commandment was very important and that Sunday, the Sabbath, was God's day and considered holy (That's why we went to Church on Sunday)

Which other ones do you think only apply to Jews?

I assume that you have been told these things by Jesus as expressed in the Gospel and interpreted by you (and perhaps similarly by Zanna).

That's fine. I'm certainly not going to question the validity of your interpretation of the Bible. I only point out that your interpretation, as expressed here, was never one that was conveyed to me during my experience with the Lutheran Church. Maybe Lutherans make up a strange unorthodox sect.

To some extent Christians set themselves up for accusations of hypocrisy, at least the ones who preach and proseltyze. (I suppose the same can be said of any religion's followers).

It appears that you find fault with Republican Christians because they speak forcfully about following Christ's teachings, but then fail to do so in their daily lives.

This is an incredibly facile generalization, but one that is quite common among liberals.

The difference between you and many other liberals is that you profess to be a follower of Christ.

I'm having difficulty with how you can reconcile a rather mean and ignorant generalization with the fact that you believe one of the two Commandements Jesus told you to base your morality upon is loving your neighbor as you love yourself.

I'm not surprised or puzzled when non-Christian liberals assume that if Jesus returned today he would be really pissed at Republicans who claimed to follow his teachings.

I am both surprised and puzzled when self-described Christians make the same assumption.

I was taught that pretty much all you need to do to earn the designation of Christian is to believe Jesus is the son of God. As I matured in thought, I assumed that Jesus also sort of expects you to at least try and follow his teachings. I never realized he also insists that you be a Democrat.

revelette
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 12:14 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
You put an awful lot of words in my post to words I never said or even meant. Perhaps I just do not put my words well.

The Sabbath is Saturday. Christians are told to remember Jesus by taking the bread and the fruit of the vine of the first day of the week because that is when Jesus arose from the dead and when the apostles first started the remembrance of death burial and Resurrection.

Quote:
Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the LORD your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.Deuteronomy 5:15


Quote:
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.Mark 16:9


Quote:
Mat. 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.


Mat 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;


Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


Mat 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.


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And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Acts 20:7


Do This in Remembrance of Me

I realize everyone interprets the scriptures differently and there are all sorts of different beliefs which is why there are so many different Churches in Christianity. To each their own.

All I can go by is the Christians evangelist either pundits, spokespersons or elected officials on TV who make their religious views known, when they go on it is usually about gay rights and abortion and school prayers. I simply do not hear too much about helping the poor. That is not a judgment but an observation. Take it as you will.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 01:09 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
It appears that you find fault with Republican Christians because they speak forcfully about following Christ's teachings, but then fail to do so in their daily lives.


I don't know if it's a case of the Spirit is willing but the Flesh is weak. Jesus spent most of his time, telling people to reject materialism and encourage social justice. This is fairly central to what he preached, second only to love thy neighbour as thyself.

Yet Republican Christians actively preach against such ideas, and promote a political system that does the exact opposite. That's not failing to live up to Christ's teachings, it's deliberately turning them on their head.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 01:31 pm
@izzythepush,
Amen preacher, I seem to agree. Laughing
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 02:16 pm
@reasoning logic,
I'm not a preacher, I'm a socialist.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 07:21 pm
@revelette,
Perhaps you are not aware of what your words are saying.

You can try selling that observation not judgment bullshit to us mere mortals. Maybe some of us will buy it, but in the end you don't believe that's what matters.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 07:23 pm
@izzythepush,
Another facile generalization.

reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 07:38 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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You can try selling that observation not judgment bullshit to us mere mortals. Maybe some of us will buy it, but in the end you don't believe that's what matters.


What is it that you think matters in the end to revelette?
What is it that matters in the end to you?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 04:37 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
For someone who generally has a lot to say, you're reduced to petty name calling over this issue. Why is that?
revelette
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 07:22 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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but in the end you don't believe that's what matters.


Personally I don't see how you know what I believe what matters in the end. But anyway, there really is nothing left to say on the subject.
revelette
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 07:27 am
@Baldimo,
So what do you think they were doing standing around dead the Taliban in the position they were standing?

This is really weak, Baldimo and I hope it don't become a prevalent argument.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 01:47 am
@reasoning logic,
What informs your wacky mind?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 01:50 am
@izzythepush,
Over your head once again I see.

Categorizing your opinion as facile generalization is, clearly, not "name calling,"
unless you are your opinions.

Asserting you are an asshole would be, but that, of course, is not what I did.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 02:43 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I've really rattled your cage haven't I? Making a facile response to a point because you can't think of anything else to say is tantamount to name calling.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 02:16 pm
@revelette,
I can tell you this much. People in the military are trained, yes trained not to put their hands in their pockets. I know during my time in I usually held my hands in the same place when standing around. To this day, I don't stand around with my hands in my pockets because it feels wrong. Ask around, anyone who spent any time in the military will tell you the same thing, if you or someone else was standing around like that you would hear "Hey! Get your hands out of your pockets!"

Have you seen the video and listened to it? You can't hear the sound of piss hitting anything and you can not see any piss streams. There is no darkening of ground or the bodies. If you have 3 or 4 guys standing around taking a piss in the same direction there will be piss on the ground and you would be able to hear it as well. Both of those are missing from this video from what I have seen. It would be nice if we had a clip of the video without a news person talking.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2012 10:24 pm
@revelette,
You're a Christian aren't you?

Am I wrong that, in the end, what matters most to you is what God believes about you, not other people?
revelette
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jan, 2012 07:14 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Your right, it is what matters in the end. Not relevant to our discussion however because I really was not making generalizations of republicans but pointing out what I hear and don't hear from republicans in the public political life so to speak concerning the poor in America. I know in my personal life some good caring people who happen to be republicans. My mother in law is one of the sweetest people I know and she is a true blue republican and fox news watcher. A lot of republicans probably give as much if not more than a lot of liberals to charity and the needy in their private lives. However, that wasn't what I was referring to. I was referring to what I hear talked about by conservative Christian Evangelist on TV and stuff is almost always about abortion, gay marriages and those sorts of issues and almost a disdain against those who receive government assistance or who are in need.
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