Telepathy

dyslexia wrote:

Fifth Dimension

Baby, baby you know it's true
I'm a puppet just for you
I'll do anything you say
I won't have it any other way
Take my heart and take my soul
Giving you complete control
If you wanna see me do my thing
Pull my string, pull my string
Puppet man, puppet man

Dyslexia, you're awesome.

Metaethics - there is a man called the Amazing Randy who will give you one million dollars to do any of these supernatural things you've listed in front of him. Why don't you get rich? Amazing Randi

"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The prize is in the form of negotiable bonds held in a special investment account. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant."

To date, no one has ever passed the preliminary tests. "

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Portal Star wrote:

Metaethics - there is a man called the Amazing Randy who will give you one million dollars to do any of these supernatural things you've listed in front of him. Why don't you get rich? Amazing Randi

Thank you, Portal Star.

And thankfully, I do not need to be rich-quick to be happy nor need a worldly status by nagging what appears a mainstream of the paranormal. Belief in what's normal leads me through the road to my destination even if it's less obvious.

My narrow path would be the slim chance that people appreciate my books about the fifth dimension and I earn some respect, or that someone acknowledges my morality and invites me to work as the Official Conscience, or simply that someone loves me because I'm still O.K.

I would never consider my experience paranormal; it's pretty normal for anyone who's string is attached to his or her own belief in 'something there' through the fifth dimension, which happens to be what MBA's call moral dimension.

I doubt James Randi Foundation buys that idea, because they would have to call NASA to devise test equipment to try some of my normalcy.

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metaethics wrote:

Portal Star wrote:
Metaethics - there is a man called the Amazing Randy who will give you one million dollars to do any of these supernatural things you've listed in front of him. Why don't you get rich? Amazing Randi

Thank you, Portal Star.

And thankfully, I do not need to be rich-quick to be happy nor need a worldly status by nagging what appears a mainstream of the paranormal. Belief in what's normal leads me through the road to my destination even if it's less obvious.

My narrow path would be the slim chance that people appreciate my books about the fifth dimension and I earn some respect, or that someone acknowledges my morality and invites me to work as the Official Conscience, or simply that someone loves me because I'm still O.K.

I would never consider my experience paranormal; it's pretty normal for anyone who's string is attached to his or her own belief in 'something there' through the fifth dimension, which happens to be what MBA's call moral dimension.

I doubt James Randi Foundation buys that idea, because they would have to call NASA to devise test equipment to try some of my normalcy.

Oh.

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OIC

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I apologize Portal Star. I wrote a response to your post on Friday but my computer messed up while I was posting it. It was much to long to redo so I gave up and went to sleep. And now... I forget what I wrote. It was something to the extent of...

Even though areas of the brain have been tested how are we to know supernatural events did not take place? They could not have been observed. It is easy for me to say that it can be a very hard journey for someone to prove or disprove the supernatural. I opened this topic to not really debate as much as to listen to different... odd... occurances. I can't really reply to anything that anyone else wrote lately because my attention span (or whats left of it) has left me for the timebeing.

Now I will leave to run into walls.

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Steven J. Gould had, in my opinion, the ultimate response to any of the claims for the above mentioned phonomania. If they existed, he observed, the evolutionary advantage conferred on those who had them would have assured their reproductive success to the degree that they would have long ago replaced those who lacked such capabilities. As that is not the case, we can assume they do not exist.

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I feel reassured that I was lucky not having my own child, if such capabilities existed inside me. As that may not be the case, I take everybody else's assumption that they do not exist, and I'd just forget about all that happened to me and leave off to the walls.

If I bounce back, I could return to the normal state and move on.

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Acquiunk wrote:

Steven J. Gould had, in my opinion, the ultimate response to any of the claims for the above mentioned phonomania. ... As that is not the case, we can assume they do not exist.

BTW, I'm not going to say "what about me" with all such frenzies as you may be trying to convince me to deny any of them. I never think you had an intention to stand me here in the cold like an idiot by trying to get your message across at my expense. Does a high-class cat in Conneticut do that to a low-life mouse in Manhattan?

I'm kidding. I have a doormat mentality as a moral counselor. :wink:

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Gould's statement wouldn't work though. Clearly, superpowers are not genetic, they are given to certain lucky individuals by the aliens.

Yeah, those aliens.

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Mhatte-Rhaye wrote:

I apologize Portal Star. I wrote a response to your post on Friday but my computer messed up while I was posting it. It was much to long to redo so I gave up and went to sleep. And now... I forget what I wrote. It was something to the extent of...

Even though areas of the brain have been tested how are we to know supernatural events did not take place? They could not have been observed. It is easy for me to say that it can be a very hard journey for someone to prove or disprove the supernatural. I opened this topic to not really debate as much as to listen to different... odd... occurances. I can't really reply to anything that anyone else wrote lately because my attention span (or whats left of it) has left me for the timebeing.

Now I will leave to run into walls.

I've always had a fondness for the restless and those with ADD. Y'all are so cute, so energetic. Must be hard to sit in desks all day.

I probably didn't state this a clearly as I could have, so let me try to elaborate on this point I made earlier:

You are right, if somthing is supernatural there is no way physical things or our senses could detect it (you'll find more on this in g-d arguments.)

However, these people are claiming that the supernatural is affecting our -physical- world. In the case of a candle tipping over, or metaethics extending the battery life of a cd player with his finger. Where the supernatural is said to influence the physical, there is a cause and effect.

ex: 1
Cause: supernatural ghost is pissed that people on television are in it's house.

Effect: ghost knocks over candle.

ex: 2
Cause: metaethics waving his finger with some supernatural battery-influencing power

Effect: cd continues to play on seemingly dead batteries.

So you see, the claim is that the cause is supernatural, but the reaction happens in the physical world. Therefore, if we can find the cause to be somthing physical, then it is not somthing supernatural (non-physical.)

for example, if we found out that instead of a ghost, there was a (cause) wire which was pulled and (effect) caused the candle to tip over. Or, we could test the cd player without Metaethics waving his finger, and if it still went back up on battery power we could attribute that to somthing in the mechanics of the cd player/batteries rather than the supernatural.

You see what I'm getting at? So as long as there is part of the cause - effect equation going on in the material world, it is subject to material properties - and observation and testing.

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On another note, stories are fun, so feel absolutely free to continue the discussion on a non-philosophical level.

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Portal Star wrote:

However, these people are claiming that the supernatural is affecting our -physical- world. In the case of a candle tipping over, or metaethics extending the battery life of a cd player with his finger. Where the supernatural is said to influence the physical, there is a cause and effect.

Yes - cause and effect.

In case you missed, however, I never claimed it was a super-natural cause to wave a finger. I wrote we'll never know if it's just another physical power that the science of today cannot explain but tomorrow's may. That way I'll stick to the assumption that I'm not paranormal but I'm just normal, because tomorrow, everybody may understand what it was today to cause someone to wave a finger in order to extend the battery life of something.

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I think our knowledge does change, but not in the way you think it does.

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Portal Star wrote:

I think our knowledge does change, but not in the way you think it does.

I know that. What else can I say if somebody thinks I'm a bit strange?

Beside, since I'm in a position to defend my thesis on the fifht dimension of the universe, which I wrote in my book, I need to say something like this. Just balance our thoughts, and we'll be fine.

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Still, if the cause-effect train does not lead back to your finger, I think that is pretty good counter-evidence.

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Mwahahaha...

Portal Star, I have an irrefutable answer to your pitiful post. Before I get started I have to say, what makes you think I have ADD? It's not like I have trouble paying attention to all these big words and countless pages of these confusing, er... smart posts.

So, now getting started on refuting you... What's that noise? Is that, the ice cream man? Uhh, yeh... I'll get back to you later when I talk to you about... umm... this... topic...

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I do have those dreams very often. The dreams where I see some scene of my life through my eyes and then - suprise! - it happens. Effect on the physical world? I stand there a moment and say, "Oooh, I had a dream that this happened. You were saying..."

The dreams most of us have aren't supernatural. You just happen to be thinking of so many things in your dreams, countless combinations of events, that it is just a matter of time before you remember one of those dreams during consciousness.

I had my fit of telepathy for awhile, it's perfectly natural to be able to "hear" the thoughts of someone that you are close to. I can't tell you how many times I have replied to my brother before he even said anything. You subconsciously understand a person to a point where you know what they are thinking when subjected to the same stimuli as you.

As for metaethics and his "supernatural" activities, when a very hard object hits someone's skull....

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Individual wrote:

As for metaethics and his "supernatural" activities, when a very hard object hits someone's skull....

Just blame me because I might have done it... I told you all, I've got that doormat mentality, which is essential for a moral counselor. But I'd call those activities of mine a "hunch of the meek," not a super-natural mighty act.

BTW, I'm not able to cure that guy with a huge bump in the head because I cut my thumb at work today. It's so deep and still... (oooh I can't talk about it.)

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My finger is cut deeply right at the joint and it really hurts. And on the opposite side of the finger is a gash running up and down like one of those coinpurses you squeeze open. On my forehead is a big bruise. This is what I get for attempting to singlehandedly build, stretch, and gesso an 8 ft. by 5 ft. canvas. Which broke after I was finished anyway, waahh....

In other news, I had Deja Voux today - I was looking into my new portable coffemug [stainless steel, hard rubber, strainer, ohmyg-d it's soo cool] and I thought to myself, "Self, I have dreamed this, and in the dream I was wondering why in the hell a coffee mug would have a strainer in it." And now I know, it is so that you can put loose coffee or tea below the strainer, and drink off the top - genius! But this was a minor incident in a dream that I didn't bother to write down, and could not pinpoint. Maybe I even dreamed about being confused about a coffee mug and my brain aligned the situations to be identical via neat crisscrossing neural pathways.

Or maybe, just maybe, the ailens/g-ds/spirits/starbuckscorporatewhores were telling me that this is the most freaking awesome coffee mug in existence, and I had better hang onto it because it is the holy grail of beverage devices.

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I'm sure it's the starbucks people, they have been known to invent crazy substances that brainwash you in seconds. For instance, they have this brown liquid...

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Actually, I hear it was sheep who started the whole coffee thing. Or was it goats? Well, it must have been goats, because as we all know, sheep go to heaven and goats go to hell.

I think you're right. I think it's a sign pointing to the corporate beverage mecca of america... Not local... But tastes... So good.... *sip*

Anyone ever been to peets? They're also a chain, and also pretty tasty.

side note into my personal life:
But Iv'e been boycotting both of them because they try to poison me. Just try being allergic to milk and caffeine and orering somthing consistently safe!
I have to pass the
1. Temptation factor (not ordering somthing really delicious I know I will pay for later... And I don't mean cash.)
2. Error - barista boy doesn't hear the translation correctly that I need soymilk and not cow juice.
3. Accidents - oh, you mean you -didn't- want whipped cream on that? There's only a little...
4. Stupidity/paranoia - I can't tell if this is poison or not, can you? I should just keep sipping it until.... *UGH!*

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