School is having "freedom day" to discuss 9/11

@OmSigDAVID,

In general terms it is an excuse for the teachers to avoid teaching.

@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

There is no shortage of gruesome and inflammatory photos available to support just about any political position.

Showing elementary school children horrifying pictures of people leaping from the WTC, the video of the beheading of Daniel Perle, scorched bodies after a napalm raid in Vietnam, or even the beaten and disfigured corpses of black men hanging from a lynching tree is more propoganda than education.

Hay: ever hear of the First Amendment????

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Children don't need to see these images to understand that there are brutal consequences to certain actions.

Its a Bill of RIGHTS, not a bill of needs

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

At the very least, the school should have required permission from the parents of the students.

Thay don 't need "permission" for their Constitutional Rights to be honored.

David

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

In general terms it is an excuse for the teachers to avoid teaching.

If u don't like seminars,
then don't go.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

The First Amendment gives people the right to speak.... it does not require me to listen.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

The First Amendment gives people the right to speak.... it does not require me to listen.

Were U invited ?

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

I don't go to seminars but in this case there is a captive audience. Are you inviting the kids to not go to school?

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

I don't go to seminars but in this case there is a captive audience.
Are you inviting the kids to not go to school?

I invite everyone to decide for himself.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

School is compulsory in effect. How can the kids decide for themselves?

What it must be like to be within hearing range of your gob Dave I shudder to think.

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@OmSigDAVID,

What has Freedom of Speech to do with it?

I don't think anyone has suggested that the teacher be imprisoned or flogged, but that she used poor judgment.

In any case, a teacher acting in their role as an employee of a school district accepts limitations upon his or her free speech...if a continued paycheck is a concern.

The teacher will not long have a job if he or she teaches students that:

1+1=36
The world is flat
The South won the Civil War

Nor will employment be continued for long if the teacher

Uses porn films to demonstrate human reproduction
Uses a snuff film as a teaching aid in discussing the concept of justice
Disects a living hamster to demonstrate the mammilian heart and circulatory system.

There is a reason courts will keep particularly gruesome photos, films and recordings out of trial evidence and it has nothing to do with a desire to supress Free Speech.

The sort of images that I referenced in my prior post are more likely to skew a child's understanding than underscoring a concept.

We are not discussing the right of someone to have their children exposed to such images.

You are way off base.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

It's about the destruction of childhood innocence Finn and anxiety creation. Teaching is hard work.

I would fire the fuckers.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

School is compulsory in effect.

As an American lover of personal freedom for everyone,
I disapprove of that the same as I disapprove of the War on Drugs.
In both cases, thay proceed from usurpation of power.

spendius wrote:

How can the kids decide for themselves?

How does anyone ??
Every man of every age and gender is the captain of his own ship.
Whether he chooses to exercise his natural command is his personal choice.

spendius wrote:

What it must be like to be within hearing range of your gob Dave I shudder to think.

I know not what a gob is,
but I wish u well in curing your shuddering.

( Is it from the DTs ?? )

David

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

What has Freedom of Speech to do with it?

The teacher is within his rights to speek freely to anyone.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

I don't think anyone has suggested that the teacher be imprisoned or flogged, but that she used poor judgment.

Agreed, qua what has been suggested.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

In any case, a teacher acting in their role

How many teachers ??

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

as an employee of a school district accepts limitations upon his or her free speech...if a continued paycheck is a concern.

The teacher will not long have a job if he or she teaches students that:

1+1=36
The world is flat
The South won the Civil War

Nor will employment be continued for long if the teacher

Uses porn films to demonstrate human reproduction
Uses a snuff film as a teaching aid in discussing the concept of justice
Disects a living hamster to demonstrate the mammilian heart and circulatory system.

Unchallenged.

David

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

It's about the destruction of childhood innocence Finn and anxiety creation. Teaching is hard work.

I would fire the fuckers.

So: according to u,
the juvenile students are being corrupted, rendered GUILTY????

and, implicity, u require that the employees be celibate as a condition of employment

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

You just blurt out the first thing that comes into your head without worrying about it making any sense Dave.

Let's keep it simple eh? Forcing kids in schools to dwell on the images of that horrible disaster is out of order imo. They should be doing geometry and botany and geography and ****. Domestic science. Good cakes, nice colours and odours. Not necrophiliac junk. This thread shouldn't even be here. There should be no need. Have these people no sense of taste and decorum or a mind for the kid's education? What are they trying to prove? How awful it is that some people fly planes into the WTC and kill nearly 3000 people, bring the buildings down and NYC to a halt? Very good. I'm sure the kids didn't know that eh what?

It's about skiving off teaching. Get your lesson prep. off the News. It's anti-education.

Somebody above said they would keep their kids off school for it. Well-that's illegal I assume, technically. So they have got somebody who is prepared to commit an illegal act to protect their kids from their doings. And somebody who has paid taxes for the fuckers to teach.

Give me evens and I'll bet a woman thought it up.

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So, an update -- the regular social studies teacher was back yesterday and apologized to the students and said that she hadn't assigned that video for the substitute to show.

I found this out after sozlet had a tough time going to sleep last night, again -- a plane had flown overhead and she was freaked out. Sad

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

You just blurt out the first thing that comes into your head without worrying about it making any sense Dave.

Let's keep it simple eh? Forcing kids in schools to dwell on the images of that horrible disaster is out of order imo. They should be doing geometry and botany and geography and ****. Domestic science. Good cakes, nice colours and odours. Not necrophiliac junk. This thread shouldn't even be here. There should be no need. Have these people no sense of taste and decorum or a mind for the kid's education? What are they trying to prove? How awful it is that some people fly planes into the WTC and kill nearly 3000 people, bring the buildings down and NYC to a halt? Very good. I'm sure the kids didn't know that eh what?

It's about skiving off teaching. Get your lesson prep. off the News. It's anti-education.

Somebody above said they would keep their kids off school for it. Well-that's illegal I assume, technically. So they have got somebody who is prepared to commit an illegal act to protect their kids from their doings. And somebody who has paid taxes for the fuckers to teach.

Give me evens and I'll bet a woman thought it up.

Its just part of history, which includes carnage.
It always has; no big deal. We 've always had wars n their results.
We lost about as many folks in the World Trade Center
as we do to ordinary traffic accidents annually
and a lot less than the citizens of London did in the 1940s.
Shoud the teacher conceal that too???????? I think not.

The events of 9/11/1 have been attended by too much hysteria.
That helps no one.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:

That helps no one.

I heard a prediction on CBS News that the memorial is set to attract 15,000,000 visitors a year. That's going to help a lot of people.

Quote:

Leave your stepping stones behind, something calls for you
Forget the dead you’ve left, they will not follow you.

Bob Dylan.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

So, i wonder if they'll learn all about Juan Seguin and the other Tejanos who made sacrifices for the revolution in Tejas. But maybe its a whites only, native English speakers only "freedom day" discussion.

You really hit the nail here.

In our school there is a higher then the white schools average of spanish speaking kids here even though their numbers are actually pretty small.

We are near 2 major roads 2222 + highway 35. Far east of 35 about 4 miles almost from her school is a lower income neighborhood full of spanish speaking people. These are the types of workers that are doing the yards, working at day labor places..etc. Working 'class' people.
( class being a hard word to use as we all know they work harder then most, but because they may not be 100% legal, or speak english very well, most people in society sadly do not count them or acknowledge them) They are not the drug slinging, shitty people. These are workers. Different type of families and neighborhood all together, but still a lower income neighborhood.

ANYWAY...

In her school there is very little at ALL to do with so called freedom week, and 911 was only discussed ON 911. Nothing more. I know this because I am in her class room every day. They dont have freedom week, or even freedom day. There was no major announcement and no extended discussion.

Drewdad and I are both in austin school districts. I bet his school is 80% white if not higher... where as our school is about 50% with the other 50 being divided almost equally between blacks, hispanics and any other race that would fall into that catagory. There are even middle eastern kids here. There is only -one- class room dedicated to the children who may not speak english very well and they have only a hand full of students because that ratio is so small. But, it is prominent ENOUGH that there is no concern about 'freedom' week. Nothing at all here announcing that, no long term discussions over freedom, soldiers, armies, wars ..etc. It is a simple acknowledgment of the bombing, a taped speech that was shown just like the Challenger discussion was shown in schools years ago.. and that is the end of the topic. Period.

I bet you DD and i are at best maybe 20 miles apart , give or take a few as I am only guessing he lives in the southern side of the city and I live almost smack in the middle.....yet his school is all over it.....and ours is not. Obviously it is not a city mandated, district required or even state regulated presentation.

The average income here ( in a guess ..not being technical ) vs DD's neighborhood is probably a difference with in about only 10-20k a year. In this neighborhood the average house cost is 140-170 . No where near the common poverty levels, yet.. due to the color ratio because of the school boundaries, the discussions like that are limited.

I am not saying this is FACT... but.. damn, its a glaring hot point.

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So, your school wasn't white enough to have a freedom day? Serves ya right . . .

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@shewolfnm,

So you're saying that only a certain type of people go for this sort of thing and others don't. And that the difference is related to class, race and income status.

That's interesting.

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