Palestinian Solidarity Campaign disrupts Israeli Concert. Yeah!!!

Can youse guys leave just a little country for the Jews to ignore you guys, and live out their lives? Asking too much? The world must always feel that they have the Jews under their thumb, I guess.

Foofie wrote:

You seem to have not caught the nuance of what I said regarding the hostility between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland or northern Ireland. There was never an intention by either side, nor during the "famine," to EXTERMINATE the other group. You keep ignoring that difference.

Perhaps I didn't cite it explicitly. The actions taken by Britain towarrds Ireland, whether by design or through indifference, amounted to near extermination. The population of Ireland has never recovered to the levels of pre-famine and pre emigration (much of it forced) of the 19th century. Perhaps you should read Jonathan Swift's essay "A modest Proposal".

Foofie wrote:

... Meaning that Jews should overcome their desire to be left alone to live their lives in a Jewish State, and become cosmopolitan. Sure, just like Europe learned to accept Jews over the last two millenia. Sorry Sir, you are not in the chain of command of Jews. They do not have to listen to, in my opinion, your double standard world view (whenever Gentiles choose not to live peaceably with Jews, we hear of pogroms/holocausts/rocket attacks, etc.; however, Jews need to overcome their reticence at living in a hostile Gentile world).

If I'm not mistaken the population of Jews in the United States is slightly greater than that in Israel. They seem to be doing OK and not particularly inclined to Aliyah - same goes for the growing Jewish populations in South America and parts of Europe.

The people of Poland, the Czech Republic and the Baltic states have managed to develop working relations with their neighbors in Russian and Germany despite the horrors visited on them.

History and human nature require us to move on, adapt and begin again. None of us has the luxury of assuming these 'laws' don't apply to us, and that we can somehow defy them forever without consequences. That applies to Israel as well.

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Can youse guys leave just a little country for the Jews to ignore you guys, and live out their lives? Asking too much? The world must always feel that they have the Jews under their thumb, I guess.

So, how's New York treating you, Foofie?

You could look at a land where Jews Christians and Moslems were living in harmony, until a bunch of Europeans, (British, French and Zionists) turned up and set everyone at each other's throats.

This is about the occupied territories, not Israel proper. Perhaps you're right, Israel is surrounded by a bunch of hostile intransigents who will never accept Israel's right to exist, so there is never any chance of peace whatsoever. Maybe they're hostile because of how Israel behaves.

First Sturgis accuses me of being anti-semitic, then Finn accuses me of being anti-Israel, and now Gunga thinks I'm going to destroy Israel by drowning it in a sea of poo.

I'm finding it very difficult keeping up with all this slick banter I can tell you.

Europe invented Judeophobia, and might still need it as a projection of their own worst traits?

" The Palestinean situation originated because the Palestineans chose sides when they listened to the Arab radio in 1948 and left Israel, to clear a way for the advancing Arab armies.

And, your proselytizing a universal attitude of mankind is just so parochial, in my opinion. Why do you not talk about the 60 million born again Christians that are Christian Zionists in the U.S.? You seem to ignore their beliefs (bible prophecy)?

Perhaps, their is even anti-Catholicism in the U.S., and your presence is not fully appreciated by all of society? Perhaps, the 19th century anti-Irish sentiment still exists in some circles in the U.S. presently? You seem to ignore that which you do not want to address, in my opinion.

You postings are doing a great mitzvah (a good dead) for every Jewish mother that wants her son/daughter to not marry a non-Jew, in my opinion.

Frederick Douglass, in 1852, wrote;

"Go where you may, search where you will, roam through all the monarchies and despotisms of the old world, travel through South America, search out every abuse, and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the side of the everyday practices of this nation, and you will say with me, that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival."

William A Cook wrote in 2009:

"What has changed? It is America that invaded Gaza....

Of my circle of about eighteen or so friends with whom I grew up, and whom I would consider "close", only about ten survive today--and not one of the survivors is over the age of fifty.

Read more: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/tilted-politics/29189-let-africa-sink-essay.html#ixzz1X8DhZMEN

"....Moreover, almost all the sects of the United States are comprised within the great unity of Christianity, and Christian morality is everywhere the same.

In the United States the sovereign authority is religious, and consequently hypocrisy must be common; but there is no country in the whole world in which the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America, and there can be no greater proof of its utility, and of its conformity to human nature, than that its influence is most powerfully felt over the most enlightened and free nation of the earth.

The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other; and with them this conviction does not spring from that barren traditionary faith which seems to vegetate in the soul rather than to live. Alexis de Tocqueville, Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, (New York: A. S. Barnes & Co., 1851), pp. 331, 332, 335, 336-7, 337...."