@farmerman,
												We're so different.  I paint drew first, once I started painting, very free. I stopped myself too much, looking back.  This is not a knock at you.
Re drawing, It was different.  A teacher likened my work to Ingres, and not just for the arm, snort. 
Painting set me free, but I sideswiped myself with different interests.
Nori taught me cheap perspective..