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Terror in Norway: Shootout, bomb explosions kill 11

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 01:50 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Narcissitic Kook is a bit of a cuddly term, as for grabbing political advantage you were the one going on about 'Moslem Hordes.' I've not studied the shooter's manifesto in as much detail as you have, obviously it helps if you had a hand in putting it together. Melanie Philips is an awful columnist for an awful rag, The Daily Mail, and it's only our laws forbidding hate speech that stop her from being up there with Beck.

The following is Charlie Brooker's column from yesterday's Guardian. It says a lot about those people trying to grab political advantage, fellow conservatives like you Finnbar.

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The news coverage of the Norway mass-killings was fact-free conjectureLet's be absolutely clear, it wasn't experts speculating, it was guessers guessing – and they were terrible.

I went to bed in a terrible world and awoke inside a worse one. At the time of writing, details of the Norwegian atrocity are still emerging, although the identity of the perpetrator has now been confirmed and his motivation seems increasingly clear: a far-right anti-Muslim extremist who despised the ruling party.

Presumably he wanted to make a name for himself, which is why I won't identify him. His name deserves to be forgotten. Discarded. Deleted. Labels like "madman", "monster", or "maniac" won't do, either. There's a perverse glorification in terms like that. If the media's going to call him anything, it should call him pathetic; a nothing.

On Friday night's news, they were calling him something else. He was a suspected terror cell with probable links to al-Qaida. Countless security experts queued up to tell me so. This has all the hallmarks of an al-Qaida attack, they said. Watching at home, my gut feeling was that that didn't add up. Why Norway? And why was it aimed so specifically at one political party? But hey, they're the experts. They're sitting there behind a caption with the word "EXPERT" on it. Every few minutes the anchor would ask, "What kind of picture is emerging?" or "What sense are you getting of who might be responsible?" and every few minutes they explained this was "almost certainly" the work of a highly-organised Islamist cell.

In the aftermath of the initial bombing, they proceeded to wrestle with the one key question: why do Muslims hate Norway? Luckily, the experts were on hand to expertly share their expert solutions to plug this apparent plot hole in the ongoing news narrative.

Why do Muslims hate Norway? There had to be a reason.

Norway was targeted because of its role in Afghanistan. Norway was targeted because Norwegian authorities had recently charged an extremist Muslim cleric. Norway was targeted because one of its newspapers had reprinted the controversial Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

Norway was targeted because, compared to the US and UK, it is a "soft target" – in other words, they targeted it because no one expected them to.

When it became apparent that a shooting was under way on Utoya island, the security experts upgraded their appraisal. This was no longer a Bali-style al-Qaida bombing, but a Mumbai-style al-Qaida massacre. On and on went the conjecture, on television, and in online newspapers, including this one. Meanwhile, on Twitter, word was quickly spreading that, according to eyewitnesses, the shooter on the island was a blond man who spoke Norwegian. At this point I decided my initial gut reservations about al-Qaida had probably been well founded. But who was I to contradict the security experts? A blond Norwegian gunman doesn't fit the traditional profile, they said, so maybe we'll need to reassess . . . but let's not forget that al-Qaida have been making efforts to actively recruit "native" extremists: white folk who don't arouse suspicion. So it's probably still the Muslims.

Soon, the front page of Saturday's Sun was rolling off the presses. "Al-Qaeda" Massacre: NORWAY'S 9/11 – the weasel quotes around the phrase "Al Qaeda" deemed sufficient to protect the paper from charges of jumping to conclusions.

By the time I went to bed, it had become clear to anyone within glancing distance of the internet that this had more in common with the 1995 Oklahoma bombing or the 1999 London nail-bombing campaign than the more recent horrors of al-Qaida.

While I slept, the bodycount continued to rise, reaching catastrophic proportions by the morning. The next morning I switched on the news and the al-Qaida talk had been largely dispensed with, and the pundits were now experts on far-right extremism, as though they'd been on a course and qualified for a diploma overnight.

Some remained scarily defiant in the face of the new unfolding reality. On Saturday morning I saw a Fox News anchor tell former US diplomat John Bolton that Norwegian police were saying this appeared to be an Oklahoma-style attack, then ask him how that squared with his earlier assessment that al-Qaida were involved. He was sceptical. It was still too early to leap to conclusions, he said. We should wait for all the facts before rushing to judgment. In other words: assume it's the Muslims until it starts to look like it isn't – at which point, continue to assume it's them anyway.

If anyone reading this runs a news channel, please, don't clog the airwaves with fact-free conjecture unless you're going to replace the word "expert" with "guesser" and the word "speculate" with "guess", so it'll be absolutely clear that when the anchor asks the expert to speculate, they're actually just asking a guesser to guess. Also, choose better guessers. Your guessers were terrible, like toddlers hypothesising how a helicopter works. I don't know anything about international terrorism, but even I outguessed them.

As more information regarding the identity of the terrorist responsible for the massacre comes to light, articles attempting to explain his motives are starting to appear online. And beneath them are comments from readers, largely expressing outrage and horror. But there are a disturbing number that start, "What this lunatic did was awful, but . . ."

These "but" commenters then go on to discuss immigration, often with reference to a shaky Muslim-baiting story they've half-remembered from the press. So despite this being a story about an anti-Muslim extremist killing Norwegians who weren't Muslim, they've managed to find a way to keep the finger of blame pointing at the Muslims, thereby following a narrative lead they've been fed for years, from the overall depiction of terrorism as an almost exclusively Islamic pursuit, outlined by "security experts" quick to see al-Qaida tentacles everywhere, to the fabricated tabloid fairytales about "Muslim-only loos" or local councils "banning Christmas".

We're in a frightening place. Guesswork won't lead us to safety.
McTag
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 02:13 am
@izzythepush,

I enjoyed this piece in the paper yesterday...which was exactly what I remarked a couple of days ago. But Charlie said it better.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 02:32 am
@McTag,
He does have a wonderful turn of phrase.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 02:38 am
@McTag,
The other thing that is quite noticable is how the loathsome EDL is running over itself to deny links with the shooter. (I will take Charlie's lead on this and refuse to mention his name).
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 02:52 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
You stand testament to the dangers of abandoning reason.
Tell me Mr. Push, do u favor helplessness
in victims of future predatory violence???





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 02:58 am
@OmSigDAVID,
No, I favour protecting those people by limiting the availability of guns. The figures speak for themselves. You are far more likely to be a victim of gun crime in America than you are in Britain. In the UK, hand guns and automatic weapons are illegal. You can't kill as many people with non- automatic weapons.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 02:59 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Tell me Mr Omsig, do you favour the rights of the man gunman on a rampage?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 03:45 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
No, I favour protecting those people by limiting the availability of guns.
That's IMPOSSIBLE.
People can make their own.
Its not difficult. If thay r too lazy to do it personally,
then thay can go to a blackmarket gunsmith.

When I was a kid, we had very convenient access to firearms.
Pistols, revolvers, rifles n shotguns were everywhere
and much the subject of pride and conversation.
Regardless of the abundance of commercially made guns,
people (especially kids in my neighborhood) filled their spare time
by making their own guns (I was not especially good at it)
out of all kinds of things, e.g. pens & cigarette lighters,
and modified toy guns, etc. Some gunsmiths were better than others.
Some good ones were offered for sale in gunstores.







izzythepush wrote:
The figures speak for themselves.
because the English police have cooked the books
to make gun control look good
(So complained one of them, after retirement,
who was a victim of political pressure to do so.)



izzythepush wrote:
You are far more likely to be a victim of gun crime in America than you are in Britain.
That has ALREADY happened, but the bad guys fled
most swiftly, at the mere SIGHT of my defensive revolver.




izzythepush wrote:
In the UK, hand guns and automatic weapons are illegal.
You can't kill as many people with non- automatic weapons.
Yes, we know how passionately and obsessively EAGER all criminals are to obay the law.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 03:51 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Tell me Mr Omsig, do you favour the rights of the man gunman on a rampage?
I do not. I favor the victims of his rampage fatally inflicting lethal,
permanent injuries upon him by defensive gunfire.

I 'm very pleased every time that happens.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 04:00 am
@izzythepush,

Indeed, Mr. Push, when I watch a movie concerning predatory violence,
I am aghast and chagrined at the consummate stupidity of the victims
in walking around unarmed, living their lives in states of utter helplessness.





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 06:44 am
@OmSigDAVID,
How many people have been gunned down by rampaging members of the NRA? Isn't it time that the NRA be declared a terrorist organisation? It's far more effective than Al-Qaida.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 07:02 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

[
izzythepush wrote:
The figures speak for themselves.
because the English police have cooked the books
to make gun control look good


Rubbish, NRA propaganda. Nobody over here is complaining that police figures are cooked. It's only in America where the figures blow the NRAs claims out of the water that people make up such mad bollocks. Why don't you tell us the name of your source and post a link to his page? I think it's because he's fictional.
Miller
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 08:09 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

The figures speak for themselves. You are far more likely to be a victim of gun crime in America than you are in Britain.


You've ignored the distribution across the USA of these gun crimes. For instance, gun power is primarily the law of the land on the SouthSide of Chicago, but you rarely see gun fights in the farmlands of Illinois or as a matter of fact anywhere in the MidWest, except thefairly large urban areas.
Miller
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 08:12 am
Back to the situation in Norway. I was surprised that this killing occurred in Norway and not in Sweden. I didn't know that the Muslim population in Norway was large, if indeed it is. But I can remember as a student in Sweden, thinking how many Muslim students were on the streets of college campuses.

Are most of the Muslims in Norway in colleges?

I also didn't know that Norway is a liberal country.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 08:22 am
@Miller,
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Are most of the Muslims in Norway in colleges?


You'd like to think that 83 of them were in Norwegian prisons. That would be the 83 muslim immigrants responsible for the 83 forcible rapes which they managed to solve over the last year. That's right, every single one of them.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 08:30 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Quote:
Are most of the Muslims in Norway in colleges?


You'd like to think that 83 of them were in Norwegian prisons. That would be the 83 muslim immigrants responsible for the 83 forcible rapes which they managed to solve over the last year. That's right, every single one of them.


There's not really any difference between you and the gunman is there?
gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 08:58 am
@izzythepush,
IzzythePOOP:

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There's not really any difference between you and the gunman is there?


One difference, I view firearms as for hunting (game animals) and declared wars only, and not for murder... I'd have found some other way get the libtards' attention.

Nonetheless there doesn't really seem to be any difference between YOU and those 83 rapists, does there?
gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 09:02 am
Sorry, the POOP part of IzzythePOOP should be in brown, shouldn't it?

IzzythePOOP

Better...
raprap
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 09:03 am
@gungasnake,
Ganja echoes Pamela Geller hate--

There's a problem here, Geller's 83 rapists turn out to be exclusively identified as non-western men in the police reports. These non-western men are not exclusively identified as Muslim. These non-western men could have a large non-Muslim contingent.

Consequently, many of Geller's Muslim rapists turn out to be a fiction of Geller's lucrative anti-Islamic hate speech blog and could well be non-western Xtians.

Rap
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2011 09:16 am
@gungasnake,
You're such a moronic knucklescraper, you think rape is confined solely to moslem males. Look up some of your 'old flames,' they'll soon put you right.
 

 
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