Are atheists being more illogical than agnostics?

@JimmyJ,

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I'm so glad the whole world doesn't think as you do.

If they did we'd be stuck in the cave-man days.

hahah nah bro, its just that frank happens to be the last cave man still alive today. rest of us are fine it seems.

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@reasoning logic,

reasoning logic wrote:

Reasoning logic

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We do not know if there are invisible elves doing frank in his ears but if i am not mistaking Frank said there could be a possibility of it happening.

Frank

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I think RL cannot imagine some possibilities...because he has initially excluded some things from consideration.

You are almost correct Frank except for the imagining part. What a funny sight that is when I imagine it Why cant you just let go of the idea or possibility of invisible elves doing you in your ears?

This all has to do with you being uncomfortable with me acknowledging that I do not know the true nature of the REALITY of existence.

You really ought to do some thinking about why that annoys you so.

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@JimmyJ,

JimmyJ wrote:

I'm so glad the whole world doesn't think as you do.

If they did we'd be stuck in the cave-man days.

I doubt that, Jimmy. My thinking is as advanced as yours. You are merely trying to think up insults...and you are really reaching. Wink

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@carnaticmystery,

carnaticmystery wrote:

frankie boy, try again

Nah...I'd rather watch you trash your own arguments!

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@Frank Apisa,

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This all has to do with you being uncomfortable with me acknowledging that I do not know the true nature of the REALITY of existence.

I am not uncomfortable with how you see the world, I just find it to be different.

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You really ought to do some thinking about why that annoys you so.

Why do you believe I am annoyed? I am not annoyed, I find these conversations stimulating. If everyone had the same thoughts as me what would there be to talk about?

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@reasoning logic,

reasoning logic wrote:

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This all has to do with you being uncomfortable with me acknowledging that I do not know the true nature of the REALITY of existence.

I am not uncomfortable with how you see the world, I just find it to be different.

What exactly do you find "different" about me saying that "I do not know the true nature of REALITY?

Do you know the true nature of REALITY?

Do you know anyone who does?

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You really ought to do some thinking about why that annoys you so.

Why do you believe I am annoyed?

I do not do believing, RL. If you are asking why it is my opinion (or my guess) that you are annoyed...it is just the sounds you make when you ask about tooth fairies, unicorns, and elves whenever I mention that I do not know the true nature of REALITY.

If you truly are not annoyed...I am happy I am wrong in my guess.

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I am not annoyed, I find these conversations stimulating. If everyone had the same thoughts as me what would there be to talk about?

Fine...so instead of constantly bringing up tooth fairies, Santa, the Easter Bunny...and nonsense like that...

...let's actually have a discussion about the limitations of knowledge about REALITY instead.

Here's a start...some observations of mine that I'd love to hear you comment on.

You DO seem to be bothered in some way by the fact that I acknowledge that I do not know the answers to questions about REALITY...and that I acknowledge the futility of making the kinds of guesses so many make about it.

Your comments about the Easter Bunny and tooth fairies, and unicorns and that sort of thing are almost certainly NOT actually intended to elicit information (no matter how much you might want to insist they are)...but rather to be scornful (in as nice a way as possible) toward the position.

Why is that?

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@Frank Apisa,

Hardly.

We can KNOW things. This flies in the face of your style of thinking. If we all thought as you we'd never believe we knew anything and would make no progress.

I don't need to reach to insult you. The sad thing is my insults are more than just insults. This is how you actually think lol.

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@JimmyJ,

JimmyJ wrote:

Hardly.

Hardly what?

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We can KNOW things.

Of course we can know things. I have never said we cannot.

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This flies in the face of your style of thinking.

Only in your mind.

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If we all thought as you we'd never believe we knew anything and would make no progress.

You are so far off base that it make little sense to respond to you. I do it, however, to encourage you to continue whatever it is you think you are doing.

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I don't need to reach to insult you. The sad thing is my insults are more than just insults. This is how you actually think lol.

You sound like a little boy, Jimmy. Grow up...or just continue to be a gnat.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Of course we can know things. I have never said we cannot.

We just cant know the things that seem absurd and have no evidence of existing?

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The essential word here is illogical. The tenor of this thread seems to show it's a toss up.

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@neologist,

It's only a toss up if you want to toss out a little old fashioned common sense.

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@edgarblythe,

Surely you jest.
Where is the logic found in a discourse between carnaticmystery, Frank, Jimmy, and RL?
Or, have you not been reading?

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@Frank Apisa,

You are an old fool lol

You're the epitome of "with age does not always come wisdom".

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@neologist,

Logical people can have illogical discussions.

How else do you think that the logical people would be able to commune with the illogical people like yourself? We'd have to engage you in stupid discussions.

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@JimmyJ,

JimmyJ wrote:

Logical people can have illogical discussions.

How else do you think that the logical people would be able to commune with the illogical people like yourself? We'd have to engage you in stupid discussions.

I shall cherish this response as evidence of your unparalleled mental acuity.

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@edgarblythe,

See what I mean, edgar?
Non believers are not necessarily a peer group.
http://able2know.org/topic/174783-59#post-5603371

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@neologist,

I cast no aspersions on the persons you mentioned, but they have not been the sole participants on here, either. I confess I have not been reading lately. Self flagellation would be more rewarding most of the time.

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@reasoning logic,

reasoning logic wrote:

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Of course we can know things. I have never said we cannot.

We just cant know the things that seem absurd and have no evidence of existing?

Once again, I think this is just your way to derogate the "I do not know if there are gods" notion.

The answer to the question "What is the true nature of the REALITY of existence"...may include gods, RL.

But it has become obvious that you are determined never to acknowledge that it is even possible for that to be.

So your comment, "We just cant know the things that seem absurd and have no evidence of existing?" mostly goes to that." You want to consider the notion of "the possibility of gods" to be absurd.

That is your right...but you will never be able to come at this problem with an open mind...UNLESS YOU ALLOW YOURSELF TO HAVE AN OPEN MIND.

Do you know with absolute certainty that YOU, RL, are not GOD? Do you know with absolute certainty that there really is a universe and that all those other people with whom you interact really exist...and that they are not merely an illusion created by you...AS A GOD? An illusion of a world of others so that you do not have to live all alone?

I don't, RL.

I live my life in the (whatever it is) as though I am just a small part of it...a few molecules on a tiny speck of dust in a vast universe. I live my life as though there is no illusion...that all of this is real.

But I cannot rule out the possibility that the thing I call "my mind" is all there is...and that everything is an illusion of that mind...created by that mind.

I cannot reasonably consider the notion of gods (or at least one GOD) to be an absurdity...

...the way you so recklessly and illogically do.

Because there is at least the possibility that I am all that exists.

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@JimmyJ,

JimmyJ wrote:

You are an old fool lol

You're the epitome of "with age does not always come wisdom".

You are just someone who wants to prate...and who, it seems, wouldn't recognize wisdom if it were an anvil and fell on your toe.

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@carnaticmystery,

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what you don't see is that your idea of nihilism is simply your mind defining a negative word for nothingness, because you don't WANT nothingness to be the ultimate truth. why not? because it destroys your individuality.

Nope. Because there is no such thing as "the ultimate truth"... or if it exists, it's not accessible to us. Nihilism is just a belief, and a useless one to boot.

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