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Should there be a penalty for not vaccinating yourself or your kids?

 
 
patiodog
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2011 09:20 pm
@Irishk,
Ain't no law requiring vaccinations against diseases that are real threats to dogs or cats. Rabies vax laws are only there to protect people.

Kinda like school vaccination requirements.

I certainly would hope that children would rank higher in the eyes of the laws than pets.

That said, knowing that diseases actually exist -- and nearby, too -- is a great motivator.

Anyway, I suspect that the rate of compliance with diphtheria vaccines in children is considerably higher than the compliance rate for rabies vaccination in dogs.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 05:22 am
@Irishk,
patiodog wrote:
I know nothing motivates a new dog owner to vaccinate their animal like seeing a another puppy die of parvo...
Irishk wrote:
That's an interesting point! Californians aren't given an 'opt out' option when it comes to licensing or vaccinating their dogs. There's even a late penalty. Yet, the state makes it ridiculously easy to opt out of vaccinating kids.
EVERYONE has the right to his own philosophy of personal health.
On the same principle (of mandatory self defense)
what woud u think of a law requiring everyone to carry a gun
all the time for defense from possible attacks of criminals or of predatory animals ??
( instead of defense from bacteria )


Your body belongs to U,
not to your employee: government.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 05:25 am

The penalty for failure to vaccinate
shoud be the SAME penalty
as for failure to carry a defensive gun with u all the time.





David
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 05:29 am
You should be taken out and shot (with vaccine).
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 05:30 am
@Setanta,
l o l
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 05:52 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I don't think there is any difference between a "defensive" gun and an "offensive" gun. In other words, there are no defensive guns, just defensive people (and offensive people).
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 06:04 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
I don't think there is any difference between a "defensive" gun and an "offensive" gun.
In other words, there are no defensive guns, just defensive people (and offensive people).
(I will not comment on how well informed your thawts r.)

If someone is gunning for u (offensively),
and he sneaks up on u from behind u to put a round
into your medulla oblongata, a little .22 Derringer will do just fine.

If u have an emotional, heavy weight, large mass aggressor
charging at u, then u need some heavy duty firepower,
in large caliber, preferrably with a Magnum load behind the slug,
enuf to break his charge and to blast him back (defensively).

Get the point ?





David
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 07:33 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I am curious what kind of gun I would use to kill my wife and kids in a jealous rage, or to wrestle away territory from a rival pimp.


Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 07:45 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Guns are scary to some of us, even if we fully support your 2nd Amendment right to arm yourself, so they'd have to give me an opt-out option and if they didn't I'd become Amish!!

Irish(soon-to-become-Amish)K

PS God Bless Dr. Jonas Salk!
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 08:25 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
I am curious what kind of gun I would use to kill my wife and kids in a jealous rage,
Kiddest thou, me????
U can do THAT with your bare hands,
if u don 't have a broken arm! or an iron frying pan, or any sharp object,
screw driver, razor, meat cleaver, claw hammer, ax, electric drill, your car, a rock from the back yard, etc, ect. ad infinitum.


I am curious of whether u believe that wives were safe from assassination
by their husbands since the ROCK was invented ??????




maxdancona wrote:
or to wrestle away territory from a rival pimp.
( I 'm trying to figure out the spirit of this assertion. )
For pimps, u might well consider fully automatic weapons.
I 'm not sure that 9mm is heavy enuf. That lets out the MP5.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 09:01 am
@maxdancona,
Quote:
Public policy should be based on science that backs specific goals


Interesting - not too much in way of public policy is based on science.

Yes, science should take part in this - and stats and common sense logic; if you allow vaccinations to be optional, not enough people participate (due to risks of vaccinations) to be useful. In other words, if it is optional, then why am I going to vaccinate my little Sally and risk that she may be the 1% that develops autism? I will not risk her in the hopes that enough other children are vaccinated.
Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 09:03 am
@maxdancona,
Although those states may be the less vaccinated - what is the %? Also, are they home schooled - does the state require them to be to attend public schools/what are the reasons for opting out?
Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 09:04 am
@CalamityJane,
Thank you - and one other note - the vaccinations are not only associated with death - but with other debilating health problems - some that last a life time. Polio for example.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 09:05 am
@maxdancona,
Because if you don't have punitive results, then you have results like what happened in CA.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 09:18 am
@Irishk,
Irishk wrote:
Guns are scary to some of us,
Yes; this is a matter of degree.
( I was afraid BEFORE and UNTIL I got defensive guns. )
For those who r hopelessly phobic of them,
I think we can only accept that at face value.
Those who r less intense in their aversion,
perhaps might change their minds when
thay become accustomed to them at gunnery ranges,
if thay will give them a chance.




Irishk wrote:
even if we fully support your 2nd Amendment right to arm yourself,
so they'd have to give me an opt-out option and if they didn't I'd become Amish!!

Irish(soon-to-become-Amish)K

PS God Bless Dr. Jonas Salk!
OK!
That 's like a fear of life preservers, while sailing.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 09:22 am
@Linkat,
Quote:
Public policy should be based on science that backs specific goals
Linkat wrote:
Interesting - not too much in way of public policy is based on science.

Yes, science should take part in this - and stats and common sense logic; if you allow vaccinations to be optional, not enough people participate (due to risks of vaccinations) to be useful. In other words, if it is optional, then why am I going to vaccinate my little Sally and risk that she may be the 1% that develops autism? I will not risk her in the hopes that enough other children are vaccinated.
If I understand correctly,
its not just autism. People have gotten sick from the disease
in the vaccination because the germs had not been killed enuf.

The victims perished from excessive (unjustified) faith in the medical profession.





David
Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 09:51 am
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:
Although those states may be the less vaccinated - what is the %?
This website says 86 percent of local children are fully immunized in San Diego County. I believe the CDC claims that vaccination rates of at least 93% are needed to ensure 'herd immunity' against pertussis.
Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 10:09 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I was just giving one example - there are many side effects from vaccinations - most severe ones are rare, but do occur; the one most parents seem to be concerned with (and there isn't clear evidence of it) is autism why I used it.
Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 10:10 am
@Irishk,
Most likely why they are having problems in CA with this children not being vaccinated.

Thank you for supporting my thoughts.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 10:14 am
@Linkat,
We are all RIGHTFULLY autonomous in our own bodies.
I don t believe that we gave government authority to intrude,
but I don't know what is in your State's constitution.





David
 

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