If everything that exists needs a God to create it, who created God?

Reply Sat 29 Dec, 2012 07:57 am
The Egyptians created Ra.


Moses modified the concept and created Jehova. Smart guy, that Moses.
Reply Thu 21 Mar, 2013 01:10 pm
All created things need a creator But God Almighty is uncreated.
If the Creator is Eternal and Everlasting, then His attributes must also be Eternal and Everlasting. He should not lose any of His attributes nor acquire new ones. If this is so, then His attributes are absolute. Can there be more than one Creator with such absolute attributes? Can there be for example, two absolutely powerful Creators? A moment’s thought shows that this is not feasible.

The Qur’an summarizes this argument in the following verses:

“No son did Allah beget, nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods), behold, each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah! (He is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him!”

[Al-Qur’an 23:91]

The Oneness Of God

The Qur’an reminds us of the falsity of all alleged gods. To the worshippers of man-made objects it asks: “Worship ye that which ye have (yourselves) carved? But Allah has created you and your handwork.”[Al-Qur’an 37:95-96]

“Say: ‘Do ye then take (for worship) protectors other than Him, such as have no power either for good or for harm to themselves?” [Al-Qur’an 13:16]

To the worshippers of heavenly bodies it cites the story of Abraham: “When the night covered him over, He saw a star: He said: ‘This is my Lord.’ But when it set, He said: ‘I love not those that set.’ When he saw the moon rising in splendor, he said: ‘This is my Lord.’ But when the moon set, He said: ‘unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray.’ When he saw the sun rising in splendor, he said: ‘This is my Lord; this is the greatest (of all).’ But when the sun set, he said: ‘O my people! I am indeed free from your (guilt) of giving partners to Allah. For me, I have set my face, firmly and truly, towards Him Who created the heavens and the earth, and never shall I give partners to Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 6:76-79]
Having achieved this knowledge of the One True God, man should constantly have faith in Him, and should allow nothing to induce him to deny the truth. When true faith enters a person’s heart, it impacts the person’s outlook and behavior. The Prophet said, “Faith is that which resides firmly in the heart and which is proved by deeds”. One of the striking results of faith is the feeling of gratitude towards God, which could be said to be the essence of Ibada (worship). The feeling of gratitude is so important that anyone denying the Truth is called kafir, ‘one who is ungrateful.’ A believer loves, and is grateful to God for the bounties He bestowed upon him. He is aware of the fact that his good deeds are far from being commensurate with Divine favors, and therefore he is always anxious to please God. He remembers God often. The Qur’an promotes this feeling of gratitude by repeating the attributes of God very frequently.

“Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god; Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god; the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the Supreme: Glory to Allah! (High is He) above the partners they attribute to Him. He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colors). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.” [Al-Qur’an 59:22-24]

“Allah! There is no god but He, the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).” [Al-Qur’an 2:255]

“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.” [Al-Qur’an 4:171]
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Reply Thu 21 Mar, 2013 04:34 pm
Is it true that humans perceive time according to sequences of events?

Probably. In that case, what was the first event?

The Bible refers to Jesus as the "firstborn of all creation", (Colossians 1:15), further stating in vs. 16 "because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible . ."

Does that imply that Jehovah, whose name means "He who causes to become" existed before events? Before time?

Perhaps the human perception of time is not on the same plane as that of Jehovah.
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cicerone imposter
Reply Thu 21 Mar, 2013 05:55 pm
According to Egyptian mythology, Ra created himself, and humans from his tears.
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 01:10 am
If the scriptures were all we knew of God it speaks this answer quite clear. God is Spirit. I understand that not many understand exactly what this means (Including most people who read the scriptures).

This question has got to be the most ignorant of questions ever asked.
I am a thing, you are a thing the earth is a thing the Universe is a thing which contains things. God is not a thing but the creator of things. Everything we know in existence are physical things which all had a beginning and will eventually have an end.

God, according to the scriptures and of a scientific necessity, is and must be outside if His creation, (or better yet, CREATION IS INSIDE OF HIM), having no beginning because he has always been. He is outside of this illusion we call time.

Just because your physical brain cannot comprehend something TIMELESS, IMMORTAL, due to being intellectually limited to only looking as deep as our known universe and all it contains, does not demand that a timeless entity requires yet another creator to create Him. This is just foolishness and a weak attempt at offering a question assuming it is unanswerable.

With this in mind, What leads one to assume that a timeless, immortal entity must have a creator?

cicerone imposter
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2013 11:12 am
I believe "god" is nature itself with all its evolution in flux (climate change) and the inability of humans to understand everything there is about it.

We are our biology and environment; nothing more, nothing less. We don't even know if humans will remain on this planet for the foreseeable future.

We might be the next dinosaurs; who knows?
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 05:53 am
It is because of God’s will that all things “existed and were created.” (Re 4:11) Jehovah, who has existed for all time, was alone before creation had a beginning.—Ps 90:1, 2; 1Ti 1:17.
While Jehovah, who is a Spirit (Joh 4:24; 2Co 3:17), has always existed, that is not true of the matter of which the universe is made. Hence, when creating the literal heavens and earth, Jehovah did not use preexistent material. This is clear from Genesis 1:1, which says: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” If matter had always existed, it would have been inappropriate to use the term “beginning” with reference to material things. However, after creating the earth, God did form “from the ground every wild beast of the field and every flying creature of the heavens.” (Ge 2:19) He also formed man “out of dust from the ground,” blowing into his nostrils the breath of life so that the man became a living soul.—Ge 2:7.
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 06:43 am
@cicerone imposter,
Yeah, but the Egyptians' myth predates Moses'.
He must have composed his story while he was
still an adopted member of an Egyptian household.

Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 07:05 am
Here's yet more blasphemy you can
find on Google.
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