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Your Quote of the Day

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2013 06:50 am
“Consciousness was upon him before he could get out of the way.”
― Kingsley Amis
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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2013 04:21 pm
What did he say to make you so blind
To your conscience and reason
Could it be love for your country
Or for the gun you use in killing.

Lyrics from Fire on the mountain by Asa.
Which I hope to play shortly on everybody's favourite radio station WA2K.
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Debacle
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2013 08:12 pm
POLONIUS: My liege, and madam, to expostulate
What majesty should be, what duty is,
What day is day, night night, and time is time,
Were nothing but to waste night, day, and time;
Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit,
And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,
I will be brief. Your noble son is mad. . . .

Hamlet Act 2, Scene 2

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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 09:44 am
“Leave behind the passive dreaming of a rose-tinted future. The energy of happiness exists in living today with roots sunk firmly in reality's soil.”
― Daisaku Ikeda
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 24 Nov, 2013 02:39 pm
“Learn from the mistakes of others. You can’t live long enough to make them all yourself. ”
― Eleanor Roosevelt
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2013 06:31 am
“Your soul is a chosen landscape
Where charming masked and costumed figures go
Playing the lute and dancing and almost
Sad beneath their fantastic disguises.

All sing in a minor key
Of all-conquering love and careless fortune
They do not seem to believe in their happiness
And their song mingles with the moonlight.

The still moonlight, sad and beautiful,
Which gives the birds to dream in the trees
And makes the fountain sprays sob in ecstasy,
The tall, slender fountain sprays among the marble statues.”
― Paul Verlaine
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2013 09:08 am



"The nationalist not only does not disapprove
of atrocities committed by his own side, but
he has a remarkable capacity for not even
hearing about them." - George Orwell


JTT
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2013 11:48 am
@Advocate,
So true, Advocate.

It always surprises me that you can be honest about the US but not about Israel. I've asked before - why is this?

But what surprises me even more is the number of USians who can deny such stark facts placed squarely in front of them that reveals just what vicious war criminals/terrorists the US has been for its entire history. Instead they choose to believe the propaganda.
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2013 11:56 am
@JTT,
So sayeth someone who quite literally has never wrote a bad thing about the country he resides in. Okay. You have NEVER written a single thing about the country where you reside. Until you yourself actually come forth about your own country's misdeeds.... JTT, you have absolutely credibility here and you never will considering you yourself don't live in a perfect utopia.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2013 11:57 am
@tsarstepan,
canada doesn't really do much, tsar.

but they have back bacon and two fours, eh...
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2013 12:25 pm
@Rockhead,
Curling ... ((cough)) Rob Ford... ((cough cough))... Asbestos mining is still legal... (((cough cough cough))
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2013 01:29 pm
@tsarstepan,
I hate to say I told you so, Rocky, but I told you so.

Let's just look at a few salient points regarding this US utopia:

1. Australia, Canada, New Zealand have not had their leaders since WWII as major war criminals/terrorists. Some, but not every one.

2. No country but the US has been condemned as a terrorist state.

Noam Chomsky: The phrase 'war on terrorism' should always be used in quotes, cause there can't possibly be a war on terrorism, it's impossible. The reason is it's led by one of the worst terrorist states in the world, in fact it's led by the only state in the world which has been condemned by the highest international authorities for international terrorism, namely the World Court and Security Council, except that the US vetoed the resolution.

3. Australia, Canada, New Zealand, ... have not slaughtered over 10 million people since WWII.

4. Australia, Canada, New Zealand, ... have not used South and Central America as their personal spots to pillage for well over a century.

5. Australia, Canada, New Zealand, ... have not invaded countries over 200 times in their collective histories "to force them to our [US's] will".
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2013 01:31 pm
@JTT,
when your house is clean you can come work on mine...
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2013 01:32 pm
@Rockhead,
I hate to tell I told you so, Rocky, but I told ya so.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2013 01:35 pm
@JTT,
actually, I told you so is your very favorite thing to say...

enjoy your day filled with bitterness, I gotta go work.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2013 01:36 pm
@JTT,
Canada Apologizes for Century of Native Assimilation Policy
http://www.monitor.net/monitor/9801a/canadasorry.html
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2013 02:04 pm
@tsarstepan,
That wasn't "Native Assimilation, that was genocide, Tsars. But the point that you are missing, big time, as is Rocky, is that the US has this same genocidal policy plus scores of its own holocausts going back over a hundred years.

Quote:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/RespectingHolocaust.html

Respecting the Holocaust
by Howard Zinn
The Progressive magazine, November 1999


Fifteen years ago, when I was teaching at Boston University, I was asked by a Jewish group to give a talk on the Holocaust. I spoke that evening, but not about the Holocaust of World War II, the genocide of six million Jews. It was the mid-eighties, and the U.S. government was supporting death squads in Central America, so I spoke of the deaths of hundreds of thousands of peasants in Guatemala and El Salvador, victims of American policy.
My point was that the memory of the Jewish Holocaust should not be circled by barbed wire, morally ghettoized, kept isolated from other atrocities in history. To remember what happened to the six million Jews, I said, served no important purpose unless it aroused indignation, anger, action against all atrocities, anywhere in the world.
A few days later, in the campus newspaper, there was a letter from a faculty member who had heard me speak. He was a Jewish refugee who had left Europe for Argentina and then the United States. He objected strenuously to my extending the moral issue from Jews in Europe during the war to people in other parts of the world in our time. The Holocaust was a sacred memory, a unique event, he said. And he was outraged that, invited to speak on the Jewish Holocaust, I had chosen to speak about other matters.
I was reminded of this experience when I recently read a book by Peter Novick, The Holocaust in American Life (Houghton Mifflin, 1999). Novick's starting point is the following question: Why, fifty years after the event, does the Holocaust play a more prominent role in this country-the Holocaust Museum in Washington, hundreds of Holocaust programs in schools-than it did in the first decades after World War II?
Surely at the core of the memory of the Holocaust is a horror that should not be forgotten. But around that core, whose integrity needs no enhancement, there has grown up an industry of memorialists who have labored to keep that memory alive for purposes of their own, Novick points out.
Some Jews have used the Holocaust as a way of preserving a unique identity, which they see threatened by intermarriage and assimilation.
Zionists have used the Holocaust, since the 1967 war, to justify further Israeli expansion into Palestinian land and to build support for a beleaguered Israel (more beleaguered-as David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, predicted-once it occupied the West Bank and Gaza).
And non-Jewish politicians have used the Holocaust to curry favor with the numerically small but influential Jewish voters-note the solemn pronouncements of Presidents wearing yarmulkes to accentuate their anguished sympathy.
All who have taken seriously the admonition "Never Again" must ask ourselves-as we observe the horrors around us in the world-if we have used that phrase as a beginning or as an end to our moral concern.
I would not have become a historian if I thought that it would become my professional duty to never emerge from the past, to study long-gone events and remember them only for their uniqueness, not connecting them to events going on in my time.
If the Holocaust is to have any meaning, we must transfer our anger to today's brutalities. We must respect the memory of the Jewish Holocaust by refusing to allow atrocities to take place now.
When Jews turn inward to concentrate on their own history and look away from the ordeal of others, they are, with terrible irony, doing exactly what the rest of the world did in allowing the genocide to happen.
There have been shameful moments, travesties of Jewish humanism, as when Jewish organizations lobbied against Congressional recognition of the Armenian Holocaust of 1915 on the ground that it diluted the memory of the Jewish Holocaust. The designers of the Holocaust Museum dropped the idea of mentioning the Armenian genocide after lobbying by the Israeli government, among others.
Another such moment came when Elie Wiesel, chair of President Carter's Commission on the Holocaust, refused to include in a description of the Holocaust Hitler's killing of millions of non-Jews. That would be, he said, to "falsify" the reality "in the name of misguided universalism," Novick quotes Wiesel as saying, "They are stealing the Holocaust from us." As a result, the Holocaust Museum gave only passing mention to the five million or more non-Jews who died in the Nazi camps.
To build a wall around the uniqueness of the Jewish Holocaust is to abandon the idea that humankind is all one, that we are all-of whatever color, nationality, religion-deserving of equal rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. What happened to the Jews under Hitler is unique in its details, but it shares universal characteristics with many other events in human history: the Atlantic slave trade, the genocide against Native Americans, and the injuries and deaths to millions of working people who were victims of the capitalist ethos that put profit before human life.
In recent years, while paying more and more homage to the Holocaust as a central symbol of man's cruelty to man, we have, by silence and inaction, collaborated in an endless chain of cruelties.
There have been the massacres of Rwanda, and the starvation in Somalia, with our government watching and doing nothing.
There were the death squads in Latin America and the decimation of the population of East Timor, with our government actively collaborating. Our churchgoing Christian Presidents, so pious in their references to the genocide against the Jews, kept supplying the instruments of death to the perpetrators of these atrocities.
I am reminded of the last stanza of the poem "Scottsboro, Too, Is Worth Its Song," by Countee Cullen: "Surely, I said/now will the poets sing./But they have raised no cry./I wonder why."
Then there are horrors that are not state-sponsored but still take a biblical toll, horrors that are within our power to end. Paul Farmer describes these in detail in his remarkable new book, Infections and Inequalities: The Modern Plagues (University of California, 1999). He notes the deaths of ten million children all over the world who die every year of malnutrition and preventable diseases. The World Health Organization estimates that three million people died last year of tuberculosis, which is preventable and curable, as Farmer has proved in his medical work in Haiti. With a small portion of our military budget we could wipe out that disease.
My point is not to diminish the experience of the Jewish Holocaust, but to enlarge upon it.
For Jews, it means to reclaim the tradition of Jewish universal humanism against an Israel-centered nationalism. Or, as Novick puts it, to go back to "that larger social consciousness that was the hallmark of the American Jewry of my youth." That larger consciousness was displayed in recent years by those Israelis who protested the beating of Palestinians in the Intifada and who demonstrated against the invasion of Lebanon.
For others, whether Armenians or Native Americans or Africans or Bosnians, it means to use their own bloody histories not to set themselves against others but to create a larger solidarity against the holders of wealth and power, the perpetrators and collaborators of the ongoing horrors of our time.
The Holocaust might serve a powerful purpose if it led us to think of the world today as wartime Germany-where millions die while the rest of the population obediently goes about its business. It is a frightening thought that the Nazis, in defeat, were victorious: today Germany, tomorrow the world. That is, until we withdraw our obedience.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 25 Nov, 2013 05:40 pm
@tsarstepan,
Gee, Tsarstepan and Rocky disappeared. That is just so unlike them.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 06:05 am
“Science, my lad, is made up of mistakes, but they are mistakes which it is useful to make, because they lead little by little to the truth.”
― Jules Verne, A Journey to the Center of the Earth
timur
 
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Reply Tue 26 Nov, 2013 06:26 am
“When you write you illuminate what's hidden. When you create you liberate originality. As a creator you connect yourself to a divine human ability. When you share, you touch, free, inspire, amuse, and teach others.”
― Unknown
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