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Why do atheist try to convert Christians

 
 
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 02:33 pm
@reasoning logic,
YOU made a claim about something. I only asked YOU where do you get that from? Who else am I going to ask? There obviously is a reason YOU thought that it was correct. I would like to know why YOU thought that.

What I am starting to agree with farmerman about is your intent for this thread. Each time I try to ask you questions about what you say it's like pulling a mule's teeth with a pair of tweezers.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 02:40 pm
@Arella Mae,
Sorry about that It came from only a couple of sources that is why I asked because I was not certain if it was true but after looking around I am seeing many claims as such! I could not remember the exact sources
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 02:46 pm
@reasoning logic,
I, of course, don't know about every church but I, personally, know of very few Christians that believe in evolution over creationism. I do realize that more and more people that claim to be Christian are embracing evolution. I consider it pretty much part of the Emerging Church of New Agism.

The Christian Chatrooms are very divided over evolution/creationism. There have been many heated debates about it. I do not believe in evolution.

On a funny note, we are pretty dead here at work so I've been watching old, old movies on youtube. This one mentioned evolution and it made me laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efYZoHd93DM&feature=BFa&list=PL856DFFA86522C81E&index=1

I always did like those old horror movies with Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing.
raprap
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 02:49 pm
You know as a militant agnostic (I don't know and neither do you) I find myself more often the target of Evangelistic Xtians than Atheists. Perhaps it is because there are more Xtians than Athiests. Perhaps it's because Atheists aren't as Evangelistic as Xtians.

Anyway when I listen to the spiel of Evangelism ad respond explaining that I don't know enough to decide, many self-described Xtians then damn me as a gawdless Atheist (redundant) that's trying to convert them.

As for the view that Xtians feel they are under attack from Atheists, I consider Evangelism as the initial sin. Xtians feel compelled to confront an Atheist to introduce them to the 'way of Jebus' and feel insulted when their theology is repulsed.

Rap
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 02:49 pm
@Arella Mae,
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I do not believe in evolution.


LOL and more LOL and how do you feel about the earth being the center of the universe with everything revolving around the earth?????
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 02:50 pm
@igm,
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Isn't it because of how we view reality and what we believe will give meaning to our lives? As I said earlier:


Seems correct to me!

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For atheists to doubt and investigate that doubt gives meaning to their lives and they can be happier because that is their personality type.



I am not sure if this is 100% because I also think that it is our education and many other factors

Sorry but for some reason I did not see your post earlier! Very Happy
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 02:51 pm
@raprap,
Hello raprap. May I ask why you say Xtian instead of Christian?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 02:55 pm
@Arella Mae,
That is like taking Christ out of Christmas but instead he took Christ out of Christian! How could anyone do that?
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 02:58 pm
@reasoning logic,
Like with you, I'm not going to assume something about what he said. I am asking HIM since HE is the one that is doing it and HE would have the answer for HIMSELF.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 03:06 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Like the title says why do you think that atheist try to convert Christians?
Why do they try to prove them wrong?
Do you have any idea why they do this?



Could it be because they would like Christians to be more Christ like?

Did anyone watch the last video that I shared? It had some interesting things to say about Jesus in part 3!
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igm
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 03:12 pm
@reasoning logic,
igm wrote:
For atheists to doubt and investigate that doubt gives meaning to their lives and they can be happier because that is their personality type.

reasoning logic wrote:

I am not sure if this is 100% because I also think that it is our education and many other factors

I agree that there are many and varied additional factors. I believe what I meant was that this is one ingredient that seems to set atheists apart from theists in general. The whole observation is just a general one. One group want to live with ‘blind faith’ and suppress any doubt regarding their religion, the other group (atheists) relish removing doubt through reason and empirical evidence. No wonder the two groups find it hard to find common ground on this as many hold views that are diametrically apposed. Given this problem it may be an uphill struggle for atheists to try to convert Christians.
raprap
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 03:22 pm
@Arella Mae,
A previous answer to a similar question

Rap
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 03:24 pm
@igm,
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I agree that there are many and varied additional factors. I believe what I meant was that this is one ingredient that seems to set atheists apart from theists in general. The whole observation is just a general one


One of the factors is average IQ between the two groups.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence

Studies comparing religious belief and I.QIn 2008, intelligence researcher Helmuth Nyborg examined whether IQ relates to denomination and income, using representative data from the National Longitudinal Study of Youth, which includes intelligence tests on a representative selection of white American youth, where they have also replied to questions about religious belief. His results, published in the scientific journal Intelligence demonstrated that on average, Atheists scored 1.95 IQ points higher than Agnostics, 3.82 points higher than Liberal persuasions, and 5.89 IQ points higher than Dogmatic persuasions. [4] "I'm not saying that believing in God makes you dumber. My hypothesis is that people with a low intelligence are more easily drawn toward religions, which give answers that are certain, while people with a high intelligence are more skeptical," says the professor.[5]


The relationship between countries' belief in a god and average Intelligence Quotient, measured by Lynn, Harvey & Nyborg.[6]Nyborg also co-authored a study with Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Ulster, which compared religious belief and average national IQs in 137 countries. [6] The study analysed the issue from several viewpoints. Firstly, using data from a U.S. study of 6,825 adolescents, the authors found that atheists scored 6 g-IQ points higher than those adhering to a religion.

Secondly, the authors investigated the link between religiosity and intelligence on a country level. Among the sample of 137 countries, only 23 (17%) had more than 20% of atheists, which constituted “virtually all... higher IQ countries.” The authors reported a correlation of 0.60 between atheism rates and level of intelligence, which is “highly statistically significant.” This portion of the study uses the same data set as Lynn's work IQ and the Wealth of Nations.

Commenting on the study in The Daily Telegraph, Lynn said "Why should fewer academics believe in God than the general population? I believe it is simply a matter of the IQ. Academics have higher IQs than the general population. Several Gallup poll studies of the general population have shown that those with higher IQs tend not to believe in God." [7][8]

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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 03:26 pm
@raprap,
Thank you for answering me.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 03:39 pm
@Arella Mae,
I watched a little of it and when I find time I will watch more because it did seem interesting!
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 03:43 pm
@reasoning logic,
LOL! Shows how far we have come with special effects and all. I watched another one called the Bloody Pit of Horror. A real campy horror movie. I laughed all the way through it.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 06:23 pm
I always try to convert Christians because if it works, i point at them, and, laughing, shout "Psych ! ! ! Man, God's really gonna by pissed at you now!"
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igm
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 02:00 am
@reasoning logic,
The problem with converting someone is, if their life was only meaningful believing in for example God. Then having destroyed their belief they are incapable of finding a meaning to life elsewhere. In extreme circumstances this leads to suicide. If not it can lead to a life of depression. So the person who is trying to convert someone who hasn’t shown any indication that they want to be, should be willing to live with this possibility i.e. that their actions lead to the converted person committing suicide or suffering from depression due to their inability to find meaning in a life without a belief in for example God. Personally I don’t think it’s worth it, mainly because of this possible outcome.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 04:00 am
@igm,
Quite apart from the poor writing, that is a complete tissue of assumptions predicated upon a dubious proposition. One assume that you really believe that atheists are out there trying to "convert" people. The ability to think up an argument is not evidence that the argument is either well-founded or sound in and of itself.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jul, 2011 04:11 am
@igm,
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The problem with converting someone is, if their life was only meaningful believing in for example God. Then having destroyed their belief they are incapable of finding a meaning to life elsewhere. In extreme circumstances this leads to suicide


How damn "AM filthy word alert" sad can a human being be to depend on believing in a big daddy the sky to made his or her life worth living.

The universe we are living is in a wonderful place indeed without the need of some small human center sociopath god running it.

A god who is so evil that you need his “ son” to act as a buffer to deal with him.

Oh well, I remember as a boy laying on a hammock outside looking at the summer night sky and thinking about all those stars who light needed in some cases thousands of years to reach my eyes was stars with perhaps intelligent beings looking at the dim past light from my sun and wondering the same thing about possible life.

To me anyone who would commit suicide living in so remarkable a universe over losing faith in an evil fairy tale god is not worth worrying over.
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