The problem with converting someone is, if their life was only meaningful believing in for example God. Then having destroyed their belief they are incapable of finding a meaning to life elsewhere. In extreme circumstances this leads to suicide.
I can only guess that people will take their own lives for many reason and something like loosing their faith could be one of the pieces of the puzzle but not the whole puzzle!
I wonder how many lives have been lost believing in a God compared to not believing in a God.
People have taken so many lives in the name of God just look at 911 you have people committing suicide and taking thousands of lives with them!
We had a president that thought god wanted us to go into another country to get rid of all the evil, I wonder how many people died that would have never harmed a human being.
I don't disagree with you on the great harm that some/many do in the name of religion. It's more about the harm that conversion can do to the person who is trying to do the conversion...can they live with a negative outcome?
If you can live with the possibility that destroying the belief of another can damage that individual if they can't replace that belief with something that makes their life meaningful...then you can...it's your choice. We just need to keep that consequence in mind. Some steer clear of it because those who do harm in the name of religion are probably never going to be converted whereas those who simply have faith and live day-to-day in a normal way could be at risk from the negative consequences of conversion.
I do not have a problem with truth other than not being able to know truth completely.
Coming to know truth in a more enlightened way should not be only depressing but also uplifting it has both, good and bad parts.
People do not convert over night, they need to have a desire to know the truth, if they do not have a genuine desire it may be nearly impossible for them to realize any lies that have been taught to them.
All you can do is share information with others and if there is a conversion it is taking place in them, over time and you were just a piece of that conversion not the conversion it self.
All you can do is share information with others and if there is a conversion it is taking place in them, over time and you were just a piece of that conversion not the conversion it self.
If you must try then that sounds like it might be the right way to approach it.
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reasoning logic
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Sat 9 Jul, 2011 07:09 am
Atheist Life vs Religious Life?
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Arella Mae
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Sat 9 Jul, 2011 10:12 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
I do not have a problem with truth other than not being able to know truth completely.
Coming to know truth in a more enlightened way should not be only depressing but also uplifting it has both, good and bad parts.
People do not convert over night, they need to have a desire to know the truth, if they do not have a genuine desire it may be nearly impossible for them to realize any lies that might have been taught to them.
All you can do is share information with others and if there is a conversion it is taking place in them, over time and you were just a piece of that conversion not the conversion it self.
The bible tells us that if someone rejects the gospel we are to dust off our feet. We don't "convert" anyone. I cannot convince anyone to believe or not believe. That's quite a comment about people do not convert overnight......................lies that might have been taught to them.
So, despite all of your apologies that you could be wrong I think farmerman was right. You had an specific intent with this thread and I don't think it has a thing to do with "sharing" anything.
So you take good care but it's obvious to me you have made your mind up about this topic despite your protestations. I harbor no ill will towards you but I am going to bow out of this conversation.
So you take good care but it's obvious to me you have made your mind up about this topic despite your protestations. I harbor no ill will towards you but I am going to bow out of this conversation.
I am sorry that you feel this way and I wish you the best life possible.
I just wish that you knew that you could be wrong in your interpretation of things then you would know that we all get things wrong.
You are wrong about this thread because all of what I share is meant to share information of all sorts but I try to keep them as close to truth as I am humanly possible but I do realize I fail at truth, I just wish that you could also see this about yourself rather than just believing because beliefs have emotions attached to them!
I have been watching the movie that you shared with me but so far I only got to the part were the man is taking apart the box to take a peak.
Did you give the last video I shared a chance or were you completely against watching it?
This is the part I was hoping that you may give a chance!
What is your most important reason for converting a Christian to atheism?
Its not all about converting Christians to atheists
My goal is not to convert people to atheism my goal is share point of views and facts with people, converting is what happens when we consider facts and realize that some of the things that we once believed are not true!
I just hate to see people grow up believing false information, Even an honest Christian should hate the same thing in my opinion!
Its not all about converting Christians to atheists
Why do you think atheists try to convert Christians? Do you fear the dangerous ones and believe that if no one was a theist then that would be one less fear to worry about. Wouldn't it just be replaced by some new or existing non-theist fear? There is no end to the things we can fear and no way to put an end to it by getting someone to think as we think. If it’s not fear of dangerous theists what is it that drives atheists to have the goal of the whole world being atheist?
what is it that drives atheists to have the goal of the whole world being atheist?
I am not sure if this is a goal but I can only imagine that if everyone started to think for themselves that the majority would be atheist but not everyone
the true problem is not even if people believe in God or not...that actually it is a false question...the problem rather is what kind of "God" do you believe in...I Like Einstein´s definition of a non personnel, non humanized "thinking" "speaking" God...God as the sense of a Whole an entirety in itself...a very mathematical form to look at it...
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igm
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Sat 9 Jul, 2011 12:19 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
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what is it that drives atheists to have the goal of the whole world being atheist?
I am not sure if this is a goal but I can only imagine that if everyone started to think for themselves that the majority would be atheist but not everyone
Arguably the most famous atheist is Richard Dawkins his goal is unashamedly to have the whole world atheist. Even atheists know deep down that won’t solve the worlds problems. Atheists will have to focus on other concerns and it being one short life for an atheist that might not be a bad thing.
Philip Roth, a candidate for the Nobel Prize in Literature was interviewed on CBS Sunday morning. About 3/4 the way through the interview he stops the interviewer in her tracks, wonderfully, when he responds to her question about how is he not concerned about how people view his atheism with, "When the whole world doesn't believe in God, it'll be a great place."
When the whole world believes the same the world will be a poorer place...
The problems is not with God or not God...but with a more enlightened or less enlightened/sophisticated system of beliefs...
When the whole world believes the same the world will be a poorer place...
The problems is not with God or not God...but with a more enlightened or less enlightened/sophisticated system of beliefs...
Do you both agree that if the world stops believing in a flat earth and starts knowing that the earth is not as flat as they once thought it was it would be a bad thing?
If only it was that simple...it is bottom line a very vague question...but generally speaking as a matter of principle better knowledge is always an improvement...of course sometimes that only worsens the size of a mistake as it also imply´s a greater responsibility...besides more complexity often also imply´s exponentially more "work"..that must be present in our mind at all times...(fighting chaos is not an easy task in our Universe)
