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Cremation or burial?

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 06:54 am
I told my family to dispose of me the cheapest way possible. Looks like cremation.
Bubbles66
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 09:32 am
I would like my body to be used for medical science. If it can be a help in any way then that would give me peace of mind.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 10:26 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I told my family to dispose of me the cheapest way possible. Looks like cremation.

Technically, the cheapest way possible is to dump the body in the middle of a state park. But who's counting the money it take to buy a tarp to wrap the body in.
~
No one has mentioned Cryonics yet as a third option.
hightor
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 10:58 am
@tsarstepan,
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Cryonics


Too expensive.

Composting.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 11:08 am
@tsarstepan,
It had crossed my mind to tie cinder blocks to my ankles and row me out to the middle of Lake Houston, but it's too much trouble. Plus, my military service should ease the burden of getting cremated.
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 11:22 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

It had crossed my mind to tie cinder blocks to my ankles and row me out to the middle of Lake Houston, but it's too much trouble. Plus, my military service should ease the burden of getting cremated.

Not that I plan on dying soon. But I suppose I should look up the VA benefits for this arena of subject.
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Mame
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2022 11:25 am
@tsarstepan,
And who's going to do the carrying and wrapping of your body? Not to mention that's likely a crime of some sort. Nice going away gift Smile
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tatiana667
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2022 04:44 am
@hightor,
Intresting how that even works?
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2022 01:17 pm
@tatiana667,
tatiana667 wrote:

Intresting how that even works?

Dead body attached to a very sturdy weather balloon (or two or three)? Or dead body tethered to a SpaceX rocket which is shot into orbit?
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hightor
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2022 02:42 pm
@tatiana667,
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Intresting how that even works?

The corpse is left out for vultures or natural decomposition; often the bones are broken up and the remains pounded to a pulp. Tibetan Buddhists, traditional Parsees, and some American Indian tribes used this method.

tsarstepan
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2022 02:45 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
Intresting how that even works?

The corpse is left out for vultures or natural decomposition; often the bones are broken up and the remains pounded to a pulp. Tibetan Buddhists, traditional Parsees, and some American Indian tribes used this method.



I like my definitions better. Yours is pretty boring and far less egomaniacally driven.
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hightor
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2022 02:49 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Composting.


If You Want to Give Something Back to Nature, Give Your Body

Quote:
Eight years ago, panting heavily in the humid summer air, I carried a pair of orange work buckets full of wood chips up a leafy hill in rural North Carolina. Although these were ordinary wood chips, the pilot study I’d come to observe was planning to put them to an extraordinary use: composting a dead human being into soil.

The deceased gentleman I saw that day, lying on the forest floor in dappled sunlight, had donated his body to science in order to be useful to society after death. Now, that gift, and the study, by the Forensic Osteology Research Station of Western Carolina University, have borne fruit. With human composting technology, our dead have the chance to become nutrient-rich soil that can be used to plant trees and regrow forests.

As of today, five states — Washington, Oregon, Vermont, Colorado, and most recently, California — have either legalized or set a date for legalizing human composting as a means of disposition after death. In New York, the bill has passed both the Assembly and Senate. It now awaits Gov. Kathy Hochul’s signature.

Human composting — or, as it’s sometimes referred to, natural organic reduction — fulfills many people’s desire to nurture the earth after dying. It owes much of its present form to Katrina Spade, a Washington-based designer and entrepreneur who told me that her goal is to see “composting overtake cremation as the default American deathcare in the next couple of decades.”

In 2015, as an architecture student, Ms. Spade launched a nonprofit called the Urban Death Project, envisioning strolling past the brownstones of Brooklyn and coming upon a municipal human composting facility. Here, passersby would reflect on mortality and the cycle of life, feeling a sense of connection to the earth, past and future — the way urban cemeteries like Green-Wood were designed to make repose in death a harmonious part of city life.

[process described and illustrated – graphics at link]


This special earth can then be scattered in a cemetery, placed in a grave or given to the family to use as it sees fit. Tanya Marsh, a professor at Wake Forest University and a leader in human remains law, said that in the New York bill the final product is defined as soil, with no restrictions placed on its use.

After working for years in the American funeral industry and founding a nonprofit to promote acceptance and legalization of new green funeral options, I felt the need to warn Ms. Spade that with death, change comes slowly. The new composting process would have to be approved state by state, one by one.

The Urban Death Project is now shuttered. In its place, Ms. Spade founded Recompose, a new for-profit company designed to bring human composting to the public. (She and I have been friends and have advised each other’s work for years, but have never had any type of financial relationship. I have no stake in Recompose or any other human composting company.) The business is up and running in Washington, alongside several other new companies like Return Home, Earth Funeral and The Natural Funeral, which serve other states where human composting is legal.

There are environmental and financial reasons why this process makes sense for New York. In the city, we’re running out of space for burials. Plots in New York City typically range from $4,500 to $19,000 — though some plots in Manhattan can cost up to $1 million. This price doesn’t include the additional tens of thousands of dollars it typically costs when a funeral home prepares and transports a body for burial.

The usual way to save on these costs has been cremation, which can be available in the $2,500 range. But cremation has drawbacks. The cremation process uses as much fossil fuel per body as a 500-mile car trip. And releases harmful air pollutants like dioxins, mercury and fine particulate matter into the surrounding neighborhoods. Human composting, by Recompose’s reckoning, uses just an eighth of this energy and falls in total price between cremation and conventional burial at around $7,000. This process also saves around a metric ton of CO2 for every person composted, compared to conventional burial or cremation.

Besides these practical reasons to reexamine our way of dying, there are emotional reasons. We humans value our relationship with the planet we live on. It’s natural to want to give something back, and in a deep way, to return to the elements — to return our atoms to nature.

There are still a few opponents of this future: the New York State Catholic Conference stated that the process “is more appropriate for vegetable trimmings and eggshells than for human bodies.” I hope these holdouts will come to understand the profound meaning this new form of repose gives to the dying and their families. The process was so important to Brooklynite Michelle Miller that when her mother died, Michelle had her body transported to Seattle to be composted. “It was moving, quiet and meaningful,” she said. After the process, “members of my family called to say the experience was healing for them in ways they had not expected.”

Sean Ovens was an officer in the Tacoma, Wash., police department and an instructor at the local police academy. After he took his own life in July, his mother, Roberta Vollendorff, had his body composted at Return Home and brought the soil from his remains to a Sitka spruce tree on her property. “Not everybody has as much land as I do, but almost everybody has plants that they can go to,” she said, adding, “I can walk out to the tree that I’ve walked out to all these years and my son is there. It's so comforting.”

There are also those who fear their own eventual decay. It has been a century since America’s dead have regularly returned to the organic life cycle. The American funeral industry has promoted the idea that the “dignified” dead body should be preserved by formaldehyde embalming, placed in a sealed casket, and lowered into a heavy concrete vault under the ground. This is a valid choice, but it treats the dead as something to be vigilantly protected. Human composting reframes the dead body: not something to be protected from nature and the elements, but something meant to return to them. It requires facing the reality of a changing climate and our place in the life cycle, no small existential feat.

Our society continues to search for new rituals and new ways to affirm that we’re all dignified in our mortality, that dust will be dust. We ought to respect everyone’s choices for their dead and realize that no one group can define for the rest what a dignified death might look like.

Six years after carrying those wood chips through the North Carolina forest, I visited another forest in Southern Washington. After decades of depletion by logging, this forest had been taken over by a conservation organization with a special mission. A golf cart drove me along a re-wilding logging path, up to a field of dark-brown compost. The soil in this compost had once made up the bodies of 28 different humans: now, all were one, part of the woods around them. These 28 people chose to donate their soil to help regrow native trees and eventually bring shade to a salmon-spawning stream.

The soil in this field testifies to a group of pioneers, who wished, as a last gesture, to help repair some of the damage we’ve done to nature. It’s a gesture everyone in the country should have the legal choice to make, and many in New York would like the opportunity to make. If Governor Hochul signs the bill into law, New Yorkers will have the chance to use their loved ones’ soil in any way they find meaningful: scatter, plant a tree, bring to a cemetery, fertilize a garden, or donate to a conservation organization.

At Recompose in Seattle, Ms. Spade has composted the bodies of over 200 people. Other states are following suit, with new practitioners sprouting up to offer the service to their communities. There is a broad desire in America to expand our death care choices and to align them with our hopes and dreams for a healthy planet. New York can light the way.

nyt
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