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Pete Rose in/out

 
 
Greyfan
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 12:56 pm
Its really this simple:

Betting on baseball by active players and/or managers hurts baseball by destroying public confidence. No public confidence, no attendence, no interest, no baseball.

Its against the rules. Every player knows it.

It has nothing to do with whether a person is good or bad and never did.

Pete Rose is the all time hits leader. He is also a disgrace to every uniform he ever wore.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 11:36 am

mission accomplished.
he'll be rakin' in the dough on book sales --
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1708563
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 11:38 am
He can cry all the way to the bank. The man is beyond self-pitying at this point. Truly pathetic.
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jespah
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 12:59 pm
Gadzooks, we'll have to put the dang book on the Portal. Feh.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 10:25 am
Here's what Henry Aaron has to say about the issue. He points out that the rule against gambling on baseball is posted in every club house:

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/columns/moore/index.html
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CerealKiller
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 11:50 am
Who cares it's just gambling.

A rule is a rule Hank ? Like the rules that used to keep blacks out of baseball ?
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 12:20 pm

cereal, its just gambling? Shocked

surely you don't think gambling is a harmless, innocent activity. as you know, it can become an addiction that is difficult to break. i know i don't need to remind you that organizations like http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/ have been created to help people overcome their gambling addictions.

its obvious rose has such an illness. how else do you explain his blatant disregard for the rule? it is that blatant disregard that has sealed rose's fate as a baseball outsider.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 12:25 pm
Shouldn't he fall under the protection of the disability act then? Like the drug addicts? Strwberry hasn't been banned from baseball yet and drug use is against the real law...
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 12:31 pm
Sigh. Drug addicts don't throw games, but gamblers do.

Is that concept hard to understand, or does it seem arbitrary and irrelevant?
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 12:34 pm

strawberry ruined his chances at the HOF when he started dabbling in drugs in 1986.
multiple suspensions and a criminal record probably sting just as bad as a permanent ban would.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 12:37 pm
Niether did Pete Rose. Is that concept so hard to figure?
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 12:43 pm
How do you know what he did and didn't do as a gambler? The man lied about it for many years, and many feel he's still lying. But you apparently believe him. Are you always so gullible?

And even if he didn't throw a game, he broke a rule that's posted in every club house. You have no problem with that?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 12:51 pm
Ok, so is it that he broke a rule or that he threw games?

I don't care if he lied. I don't care if he raped Bud Selig's mom, I don't care if he signed a contract with satan for a new car. I don't care that he gambled...as long as he did none of those things as a player. What ever he did after his playing days were over should not matter. That's my point.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 12:53 pm

i interpret the pro-rose sentiment on the thread like this:

look the other way, because he had a great playing career. he's one of the good guys, so he can do no wrong.
why can't baseball change its silly rules? why can't baseball make an exception for Mr. Hustle?


rules (and by extension, laws) are put in place for specific reasons, and ALL have to abide by them.

rose committed the cardinal sin of baseball. it simply can not go unpunished.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 01:00 pm
Region Philbis wrote:
i interpret the pro-rose sentiment on the thread like this:

look the other way, because he had a great playing career. he's one of the good guys, so he can do no wrong.
why can't baseball change its silly rules? why can't baseball make an exception for Mr. Hustle?


rules (and by extension, laws) are put in place for specific reasons, and ALL have to abide by them.

rose committed the cardinal sin of baseball. it simply can not go unpunished.


Then you are interpreting them incorrectly, at least my sentiments.

Pete rose was an outstanding baseball player.
The Hall of Fame is a place that recognizes outstanding baseball players.
Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame.

That's it. That is the extent of my sentiments on this issue. Instead, the HOF has become a pulpit too closely associated with baseball. It has become politaically correct. Roses ban from baseball should have no bearing what so ever on his standing in the HOF. NONE.

I agree that he should be banned from baseball because of the reasons that have been mentioned.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2004 09:43 am
McGentrix and I agree on this.

(That might be the first and last time, McG!)
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Greyfan
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2004 11:08 am
McGentrix said:

Quote:
I don't care that he gambled...as long as he did none of those things as a player.


Pete Rose has admitted betting while a manager. He also played while managing...over 900 career at bats occurred while he was managing the Reds.

Still, as a manager he had a far greater ability to affect the outcome of games than a player does. Why doesn't that matter?

If you don't think there's anything wrong with people who are in a position to affect the outcome of a game placing bets on the results, nothing that is said here will bother you any more than it bothers Pete.

But if you do think there is a problem, please explain what sort of message putting Rose in the Hall sends to current and future players. Corruption is okay as long as you're an all star?
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jan, 2004 09:47 am

Rose to Conduct Book Signing at Casino
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1715919
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2004 05:46 pm
Considering that some posters think it's cool that ball players use steroids and so forth, I guess I'm not surprised that some see nothing wrong with Rose in the Hall of Fame.

We all have our standards, I guess...
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2004 07:28 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
Considering that some posters think it's cool that ball players use steroids and so forth, I guess I'm not surprised that some see nothing wrong with Rose in the Hall of Fame.

We all have our standards, I guess...


Fishing?
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