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If a man claims to be Jesus today, how can you tell if it is true or false?

 
 
Fido
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 05:24 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I'm not arguing with a 13 year old.
Who else wants to argue but the mentally adolescent??? All other people discuss with no greater expectation than their further education... Trying to change minds with reason is a fool's pursuit... When people feel differently, they will think differently... Art is more effective than reason because it talks to the emotions...
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 06:12 am
@Krumple,
really? is it not possible that there is a better place in Heaven where all things are perfected? So people who believe can take earth and all earthly things for what it is worth but cherish spiritual things (things above this world) your statements about not caring about where you end up only proves that it was ness. for God to even create Satan and A place called Hell. and one question if there is no proof how do you conjure up to explain the millions of miracles that happen everyday (Stigmata's) etc and who then are the Prophets? and where do they get there authority to speak such truth and wisdom? if it is not from God which every Prophet has said from the beginning till now
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 06:16 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
also one who truly believes will KNOW it is the true comming of Jesus. the BEAST will perform miracles to get people to believe and Jesus will be constantly giving glory to the father saying worship truth God of Israel (the Father) the Father Glorifies Jesus, Jesus Glorifies the Father and The Holy Spirit glorifies both a never ending cycle...end of story.
Also it says in the Scriptures that the second comming will be like flashes of lightning when he comes to take holy ones away before the end. people will claim they see him in the dessert out in the city it strickly warns do not go out to see or find him you WILL NOT find him there. So if one claims they see him in the flesh it is not he
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 06:27 am
Here's Ross Noble's take on Jesus. This is part two of a stand up set. the bit about Jesus starts about half way through.

Francis
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 06:29 am
spademaster wrote:
people will claim they see him in the dessert


Is this kinda last meal?
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 06:32 am
@izzythepush,
thats very funny! (sarcasticly) why is it then that Christians are at least content with there life but yet all of the athiests who say they are happy, will go to absolutley no regard to bring down people who DO believe. If Jesus is false why is it not the other way around at least giving some form or edvidence that what Jesus taught was false?? If your main phocal point is that you ONLY believe what you can see??
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 06:36 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
ss typo desert.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 06:41 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
and furthermore since we are speaking on only believing things we can see. It is a FACT that he came and excisted the FIRST time. and if you deny that how then can you expect to be faithful if you couldn't handle the first comming of him. If what he taught was true he is going to provide evenless physical evidence by way of miracles the second comming. and if people doubt when they have proof of the first why would they ever change if he came and did it again???
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 06:54 am
My personal take on Jesus, I see no real evidence that the character depicted in the New Testament existed, ever. It seems more like a composite, derived of the attitudes and events of the time. There may have been a man or even two or three, who provided a model, on which to build the Jesus figure. Bottom line, anybody claims to be Jesus, I take him to the taqueria around the corner and introduce him to my friend, Jesus.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 06:55 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
You don't know what I believe, and I'm not going to tell you that. If Jesus did exist, (I'm sorry, it's not a fact, there are just too many similarites with the traditions of other religions, particularly Paganism) he would have had a sense of humour. This seems to be a quality completely lacking in so many who claim to be Christian. The other thing the Christian right fails to acknowledge is that Jesus was a Socialist.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 06:59 am
spademaster wrote:
It is a FACT that he came and excisted the FIRST time

Would you mind linking to some more substantial evidence than your simple assertion?
Fido
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 07:16 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

My personal take on Jesus, I see no real evidence that the character depicted in the New Testament existed, ever. It seems more like a composite, derived of the attitudes and events of the time. There may have been a man or even two or three, who provided a model, on which to build the Jesus figure. Bottom line, anybody claims to be Jesus, I take him to the taqueria around the corner and introduce him to my friend, Jesus.
There is evidence, but no proof... Evidence is enough if you need to believe; but I believe in some of what is said of him, and think he was smart as a whip, understood humanity and the Jews only to well, and for that reason has always been rejected by humanity... If it were possible for him to return, he would be killed all over again... We hate Jesus... No one hates Jesus as much as the Christians, though the Jews in his day were no friends... The Muslims have more respect for Jesus as a prophet than Christians have for Jesus as God... Christians with their forms a formulas for salvation do not grasp what a formless understanding of God Jesus was offering, and the Muslim with their constant prayers and obligations fall far short of what is demanded by Jesus of all who believe, which is total... He showed the way.. If you accept God as a reality there is nothing but God and all else is illusion
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 07:22 am
@Fido,
The world is hungry for miracles, receptive to the savior that never comes. The answer lies not in Jesus longing, but in wisdom and self reliance.
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 10:09 am
@Francis,
I have said this maybe 5 times on here already and will say it yet again till someone rebukes me with concrete evidence of Jesus's nonexistince rather than his existince. Go to google and look up a stigmata (That is where someone bears the wounds of Christ) and what it means. and tell me in your definiton what it is or why it happens if Jesus never existed. and Also tell me why it usually happens to people who do not beiieve and then are converted and teach the gospel? simply an miracle in my opinion. somone please explain those 2 questions to me. please.
Francis
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 10:16 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
As you claim Jesus existed, the burden of the proof lies solely with the claimant..

I don't need to prove anything, you need at least to provide some historical or archeological evidence that this man existed..

I've seen more fake stigmata than you'll ever see clowns..
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 10:18 am
@Fido,
The Muslims have more respect for Jesus as a prophet than Christians have for Jesus as God...

please explain to me what muslim scripture gives evidence to support this. Because in Christain scripture he said he was The son of God. God in the flesh. Noone know the way to the father except through me. and he is the life, the way the truth. Christians believe everything that he said. by believing he was a Prophet is a good start. for it is truthful, but he came as more than a mortal man. and again what is your definiton of salvation if you dont believe in a savior? because we all sin so there is no salvation in the laws we all break them. so what do you do when you sin? and what are or who are you praying to to repent and stop sinning?
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 10:21 am
@Francis,
if ten million fake stigmatas exist but one is solid enough not to disproove exists what would you call that one miracle?
Francis
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 10:24 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Problem is, I never witnessed anything that was even close to a miracle.

But you sure are free to believe in fairy tales..
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 10:25 am
@Francis,
and also all you did was beat around the bush. you did not rebuke me with concrete evidence that he didnt exist rather than he did. I atleast shown you a way to were it was atleast plausable by a true stigmata( if I even believe that there are tons and tons of fake ones)
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2011 10:28 am
@Francis,
why would you need to witness an actual miracle to believe they exist? all you have to do is look them up, there probably a million that happen everyday. would all these people be lieing or is it more concievable to believe they all are true?
 

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