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Obama's strategy in releasing his long form birth certificate.

 
 
DrewDad
 
Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 09:51 am
Obama 2012 Campaign Lays Trap for Birthers, GOP

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A more realistic, albeit cynical, view is that the Obama campaign is using the controversy about the president’s birth certificate as a wedge issue — that the release of the document is intended to trigger an escalation in the controversy by driving birthers batshit crazy, which in turn will force establishment Republican pols, including GOP presidential candidates, to take a position for or against a key segment of their wingnut base.

The Obama campaign is banking on the fact that the release of the long-form certificate will resolve any doubt about the president’s birth origins among level-headed swing voters. Settling the issue among independents, the constituency that will decide the presidential race in a close election, will put the eventual Republican nominee in an awkward. He (or she) must have both the GOP’s wingnut base and sensible independents to win next year.

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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 09:53 am
@DrewDad,
Why Obama Will Get Second Term in White House: Ralph Nader

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Five things are playing in Obama’s favor.

First, the Republicans -- driven by their most conservative members in Congress -- will face a primary with many candidates who will advance harsh ideological positions. Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Donald Trump and others might as well be on the Democratic National Committee payroll. House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan’s reverse Robin Hood plan to cut more than $6 trillion in spending over a decade will provide the outrage, stoked by a sitting president possessed of verbal discipline.

The field of Republican weaklings is already getting smaller. This week, Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour dropped out of the race for the presidency.

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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 09:55 am
@DrewDad,
Obama Trumps Trump -- The Donald Walks Right Into the President's Trap


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Today was supposed to be a good day for Trump -- his first major foray into New Hampshire, a key primary state. As it would happen, he walked right into the trap set by Obama's political operation.

Almost on cue, Trump responded in the only way he possibly could, which was to take credit for the release of the birth certificate. However, cognizant of the fact that his supporters don't trust Obama one bit, Trump managed to raise some doubt even while taking credit for the release.

“I wanna look at it, but I hope it’s true,” Trump said during a visit to Portsmouth. “We have to look at it, we have to see ‘is it real,’‘is it proper?’”

Whether spurred by Trump's comments or not, early numbers are already floating around, suggesting that still almost a quarter of Americans do not believe the newly-released certificate is authentic. Yet, it's important to note that these doubters would not vote for Obama even if the Devil himself was his opponent next year.

Obama's move this morning makes the "birthers" look like the fringe group that they are. The news will satisfy the swinging independent bloc, and in this upcoming election that's all that matters.

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That the White House strategically waited to pounce, should demonstrate to Republicans that President Obama is going to be a formidable candidate next year.

This is why most serious GOP candidates will likely wait until 2016 to run.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/04/27/obama-trumps-trump-donald-walks-right-presidents-trap/#ixzz1KpkuPZNd




It's interesting, to me, that this last piece is from Faux News.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 10:01 am
@DrewDad,


The Donald is working for/with Obama.
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 10:08 am
@DrewDad,
Something more meta I've been thinking of, not sure I can articulate it all the way:

Obama has stayed consistent throughout his campaign and presidency on being moderate, reasonable, willing to compromise. He owns that.

So, how does one run against that? As in, if you just plain don't like him and want him out, what is the contrast? Immoderate, unreasonable, unwilling to compromise.

That's what a lot of the candidates look like right now.

I don't think that will fly with independents and more moderate voters.

I'm very curious what Romney will end up doing with all of this. He's generally more reasonable and moderate than most -- will that freeze him out this cycle? Will he figure that his chances are low and rather than losing twice in a row, sit this out and wait for 2016? Will he go extremist and unreasonable just through the primaries and then dial it back if he gets the nomination?
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 11:00 am
@sozobe,
Yup. Republican challengers have to first satisfy the primary voters (which has a large proportion of the more radical elements on the right), and then try to swing back middle to capture the general election.

Obama just gets to own the middle the whole time.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 12:00 pm
@H2O MAN,
You guys must have missed h2oman's comments and totally missed his sources.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 12:03 pm
Last night's Rachel Maddow show on how the media is promoting and profiting from the birther conspiracy:

RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 12:28 pm
Too answer her question about the journelists it is because like most of our politicians they are bought by big money. Almost all are bought.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 12:43 pm
The message is clear...Obama is the serious one. The timing...had he done it earlier this would not have helped him any in the election, done it later he would have looked like he was desperate. This will not change much tough, because it does not change the dynamic. This is not about race as the liberals claim, it is about the finding of many that Obama is not trustworthy, and finally showing his birth certificate does not change that at all.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 12:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
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This is not about race


That's delusional, Hawk. That's "my country has come so far" when the facts clearly show that it hasn't. Check out the SPLC site for the number of hate groups that exist in every state in the US then come back and tell us that it's not about race.
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engineer
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 02:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
I think the "birther" movement is very much about race and religion. If Obama was O'Reilly, white and his father was an Irish Protestant we wouldn't be having this conversation. In the last election, there was one candidate who was not born in the US and there was no debate about it, but you didn't see anyone running around saying McCain couldn't run or asking him to prove he was really born on base.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 02:56 pm
@engineer,
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but you didn't see anyone running around saying McCain couldn't run or asking him to prove he was really born on base.
You also did not see a lot of people running around claiming that McCain could not be trusted, though given his role in the Keating Five and for picking Palin, such a claim might have been justified. We tend not to trust people who are not like us, and since race has been so played up in American race certainly has something to do with this mistrust that Obama stirs up, but it is a subconscious working of the mind so I dont think that you can fairly call this racism.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 03:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
You think people make conscious decisions to be racist?

Really?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 03:23 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

You think people make conscious decisions to be racist?

Really?
Sure, that would be anyone who decides that they dont care about who the individual is, they are not going to like them because of their race.....IE, a racist. we have redefined the word to mean anyone who thinks one racial group performs better than another, and evidence to support this view does not count. The PC law is that race does not matter, and the fact that this does not reflect either reality nor our belief about reality is shoved aside.

Obama has not been generally the subject of racism, whites supported him partly because they could then prove the charge of racism made against them was not true, and minorities supported him because he was a fellow minority ( amongst a lot of other reasons). It is Obama's performance that has caused this falling out with America, in particular this feeling many have that Obama does not care about what we care about. Race helps this conclusion along subconsciously, but the dislike of Obama is not racism.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 03:32 pm
@Butrflynet,
Butrflynet wrote:
Last night's Rachel Maddow show on how the media is promoting and profiting from the birther conspiracy:

Making money off of the obsessed and/or gullible isn't anything new.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 03:34 pm
@hawkeye10,
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You also did not see a lot of people running around claiming that McCain could not be trusted, though given his role in the Keating Five and for picking Palin, such a claim might have been justified.


"might have been justified"; welcome back from your trip. How was Jupiter?
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 04:54 pm
@engineer,
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THURSDAY, APR 28, 2011 13:09 ET

The roots of birtherism go beyond race

BY STEVE KORNACKI


Let's be clear: Birtherism itself has everything to do with race. It encourages -- and feeds off -- emotional, culturally driven resentment of President Obama, a sense that he's not "one of us." But as Obama seeks to put all of the zany conspiracy theories to rest for good, it's worth remembering that there's a broader phenomenon that birtherism grew out of: the right's instinctive, aggressive rejection of Democratic presidents.

Think back to the late months of 2007, when it was taken as a given that Hillary Clinton would be the next Democratic presidential nominee. At the time, the right still considered itself at war with the Clintons -- something that had started with Bill Clinton's election in 1992, continued through his presidency, and extended well into his ex-presidency. From the moment Bill left office in January 2001, the right had been preparing for its inevitable showdown with Hillary -- something that looked imminent in late '07, when Obama's campaign seemed to be foundering. Against this backdrop, Obama was typically portrayed by conservative commentators not as a radical, anti-American outsider but as a plucky, well-meaning (if a bit naive) do-gooder who was about to be savagely and unfairly mauled by the Big Bad Clinton Machine.

Shortly thereafter, though, something unexpected happened: Obama started winning primaries and caucuses. Lots of them. By the end of February, he'd built a commanding delegate advantage. Hillary, it became clear, was going to lose. The threat of a Clinton restoration was over. And just like that, conservatives seemed to forget every nasty, terrible thing they'd ever said about the Clintons. The most hilarious example, as I documented at the time, may have been Pat Buchanan, who had famously pilloried Hillary as a radical feminist "lawyer-spouse" during his 1992 Republican convention speech; but as she fell hopelessly behind Obama, Buchanan began portraying her as a folk hero to white working-class voters -- with Obama now relegated to the role of dangerous radical. And Buchanan was hardly alone. It was at this point in the 2008 campaign that conservative opinion-shapers began focusing obsessively on Jeremiah Wright and Obama's other frightening "associations."


http://www.salon.com/news/politics/birthers/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/04/28/birtherism_race
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 05:12 pm
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WEDNESDAY, APR 27, 2011 10:31 ET


If you think this will shut Trump up ....


BY STEVE KORNACKI

In theory, it made sense, the White House releasing President Obama's long-form birth certificate just as Donald Trump's private jet was about to touch down in New Hampshire.

The idea, perhaps, was that Trump, who'd presumably spent the trip devising a few new birther talking points, would disembark, find himself confronted with a sea of reporters shoving copies of the long form in his face and demanding comment, and -- for once -- be dumbstruck. On national television. Or maybe the idea was just that, against the backdrop of the most irrefutable evidence possible that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, Trump would for all of America finally be shown to be the fool that he is.

http://www.salon.com/news/donald_trump/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/04/28/donald_trump_discrimination_suit
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 10:35 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
it's worth remembering that there's a broader phenomenon that birtherism grew out of: the right's instinctive, aggressive rejection of Democratic presidents.

Yup these are the same people who believe simultaneously that a) Clinton should be thrown out of office for getting a blowjob and b) that Clinton is ruthless enough and capable enough that he's left a swath of 50 bodies in his wake, in spite of his demonstrated inability to keep something as minor as boinking an intern private.
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