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Rovers on Mars

 
 
satt fs
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2004 02:52 am
This cannot be other than sedimentary rock layer.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0411/burnscliff_opportunity.jpg
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2004 05:58 am
True. That's what my bathtub looks like.
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satt fs
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2004 06:10 am
I didn't know edgarblythe was a time-honored Martian. (joke)
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2004 06:43 am
Those layers on the bottom look more like ring patterns that occur by ground water. The big chunks on top look like some kind of rock hash from more massive rock ejected by a meteor hit . The vertical stripes look like a combination of fractures from post ejecta settlement then they seem to be widened by water erosion. Lots of stuff going on Itd take a while to sort it out.
Is this the Rover that is poking around inside a crater?
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satt fs
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2004 07:01 am
New Release


Caption: 'Opportunity captured this view from the base of "Burns Cliff" during the rover's 280th martian day (Nov. 6, 2004). '
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2004 07:56 am
farmerman wrote:
Those layers on the bottom look more like ring patterns that occur by ground water.


What about seasonal sedimentation in still or very slow moving water from wind deposited dust? They look a bit like varves to me.
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satt fs
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2004 09:50 pm
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Rover data makes return a must

Data from Nasa's Mars rover Opportunity shows its unique landing site is a prime spot for a return mission to look for life, scientists say.

The robot was not designed to find evidence of biology on Mars and did not detect any during nearly a year spent exploring the Meridiani Planum region.

But writing in Science, team members claim the site may have been habitable for long periods of Mars history.

And locations on Earth with similar conditions do host microbial life.



There is a historical record in a sedimentary formation and for us that is where you might find the remnants of life
Professor Colin Pillinger, Open University


As Opportunity's first images steadily downloaded onto screens at Nasa's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in January, it was clear Meridiani Planum was like no other place seen on Mars.

Viewers around the world were transfixed as pictures revealed a thoroughly alien landscape of dark, rippled soil and stark, pale slabs of exposed bedrock.

Opportunity had struck lucky. Investigations carried out over the ensuing month proved the pale slabs were part of a larger sequence of sedimentary rock laid down in the presence of liquid water.

Professor Colin Pillinger, lead scientist on the ill-fated European lander Beagle 2, agreed that Meridiani was a first-rate location to search for life.



"The most exciting thing was seeing those sedimentary formations," he explained.

"It meant there had been big bodies of water on the surface. There is a historical record in a sedimentary formation and for us that is where you might find the remnants of life."

Intriguingly, the Rio Tinto, an acidic river in south-western Spain that resembles Meridiani chemically, is home to specialised communities of microbes.

"Sample return of Meridiani rocks might well provide more certainty regarding whether life developed on Mars," rover team members write in Science.

For example, they point out, iron oxide deposits at Rio Tinto contain beautifully preserved fossils of tiny microbes.

At the moment, the scientists cannot prove whether Meridiani could have hosted biology, but water is a crucial requirement for life.

Beside the seaside

While researchers are confident the layered bedrock was laid down in the presence of water, some uncertainties remain.

"There are people who think [the site] was on the margin of an ancient sea," Professor Ray Arvidson, deputy principal investigator for the rovers told the BBC News website.

"The other line of thought is that this is a big, layered stack of volcanic sediment, which came out very wet and with a lot of sulphur. If you look at what I call the etched terrain (site to the south of Opportunity's present position) I think you can see evidence for individual ash flows."


Another issue which needs to be resolved is the age of the rock sequence beneath Meridiani's soil.

"The oldest terrain [on Mars] is the ancient crater terrain, which is 4 to 4.5 billion years old. Opportunity is sitting on top of about 300m-worth of layered rock," said Professor Arvidson.

"The layered rock sits right on top of the ancient crater terrain. So we know it's younger than 4 to 4.5 billion years. I personally think these rocks were buried and then exhumed by wind erosion.

"But it's very difficult to date because the surface we are sitting on has very few craters, and that may be because it has eroded so quickly."

Professor Monica Grady, a planetary scientist at London's Natural History Museum observes that it will only be possible to accurately date Mars rocks once samples are returned to Earth.

"Until we get absolute ages we can't say when a particular volcanic eruption stopped or a body of water disappeared," she said.

Martian invasion

A raft of Mars missions are currently in the pipeline. The next one to reach the surface will probably be a low-cost "scout" mission called Phoenix in 2007.

Future landing missions could speed up the process of selecting interesting targets in the landscape by using artificial intelligence.


"The rovers used quite advanced technology to explore Mars. But there is only a small amount of AI in the robots. Most of the geology is done by a large team of people," said Dr Patrick McGuire of the Centre for Astrobiology in Madrid, Spain.

Dr McGuire and colleague Jens Ormö have devised a wearable computer system which uses intelligent software to select interesting rocks. They have named the system the cyborg astrobiologist.

"One of the ideas we had was to offload some of the burden on to the robot itself. This would relieve the humans from doing low-level mineralogy interpretation and scene interpretation," Dr McGuire said.

In recent field tests, the cyborg astrobiologist was able to find interesting points in real-time in the geological scenery.




source-BBC
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2004 09:59 pm
unk, varves are lake deposited. maybe you mean l,oess.
Almostt any guess as to the origgiins of the lowwer layers would work, even loess (not glacial derived though?)
TThe top layers gotta be clasts from a meteorite hit, and then some free running water scoured the face in a vertical direction.
Any interpretations from the guys at the project ?
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 07:45 am
Varves was probably the wrong term, but it still looks water deposited to me. You look at the red beds in central Connecticut and you find similar structures. It might represent seasonal deposition from highland run off. I check into the NASA Mars web site periodically and I have found no speculation on what the photo's are showing. The Mars team seems to have clammed up, probably for good reasons.
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satt fs
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 03:28 pm
Wider view..

http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Dec04/BurnsCliff.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 04:51 pm
Another possibility for those formations may be the result of high winds rather than water. If they are volcanic like we have on earth, each segment may have been formed by high winds for thousands of years.
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satt fs
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 05:48 pm
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..each segment may have been formed by high winds for thousands of years.

Probably, the hardness is quite different.
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littlek
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 11:12 pm
I'm too tipsy to read back and check, but I heard that this week's issue of Science magazine has more Mars info in it than any one source before it (aside from the NASA-JPL website).
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satt fs
 
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Reply Thu 30 Dec, 2004 11:56 pm
I would not climb on such rocks even if they were on the Earth..
My instinct as a climber makes me avoid this.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0412/burnscliff_opp_fl.jpg
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 31 Dec, 2004 08:46 am
A different planet... layered sandstone from the American SouthWest:

http://www.americansouthwest.net/slot_canyons/photographs700/whlayers.jpg
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 07:53 am
Rover hits one-year mark on Mars

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"From an engineering standpoint, you really have to tip your hat," JPL's Matt Golombek told SPACE.com. "These rovers were designed for a lifetime of three months and now it's not clear when they're going to stop."


Where should they go next?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 07:58 am
Congrats on science well done!
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satt fs
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 08:01 am
They should tell meteorites from Mars' own rocks.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 08:10 am
satt_fs wrote:
They should tell meteorites from Mars' own rocks.


Like this?

Mars Rover finds Meteorite
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satt fs
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 08:13 am
Yeah, I meant it, but there should be more..
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