Is Capitalism Good or Bad?

Frank Apisa wrote:

As I've said repeatedly in various threads:

Osama and the fundmentalists are a grave danger to this country...

...but compared with the danger presented by the likes of Perception, they are pikers.

Damn----thanks Frank for giving me all that respect. I owe it all to the ACLU------THEY ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS ORGANIZATION IN THE US TODAY. While you suckers think they are protecting the constitution---they are actually rewriting it-----that is,what the activist left wing judges( 9th circuit court) have not already re-written. You see Frank-----I'm taking my fanatical cues from you as I have nothing better to do at this minute.

Before this thread got all out of whack, I had some thoughts on why the US will stay a capitalistic democracy.

I comes down to shoveling ****. No one WANTS to shovel **** for a living. But, someone has to do it. We pay people to do it because there are a lack of volunteers and no one would want to be told that they must now go shovel **** for 20 years. But, offer a good paycheck and benefits, someone will do it.

Because of that, we have capitalism. It's why communism and socialism will never fully work. It's why the US is a great nation. It's why our country works the way it does.

Perception, don't you think you are overstating the threat of Bin Laden, at least a little? A ration of bathtub stick-um would save more lives than Bin Laden's taken. His actions were merely the catalyst of our market's adjustment. The adjustment was coming anyway. By the way; I am all for hunting him and others like him till they are all gone or forever, which ever comes first… But I'm not ready to burn the constitution to accomplish it.

No, what the Patriot Act really needs are some Democratic defenders.

And, we're pleased to report, it now has two. They deserve a loud round of applause, and a great deal more publicity.

At last week's Senate hearing, Joe Biden of Delaware didn't have to say that "the tide of criticism" being directed against the Patriot Act "is both misinformed and overblown," that "I stand by my support" of that law, and that the Ashcroft Justice Department has "done a pretty good job in terms of implementing" the law's provisions. But Biden did say all these things, anyway. And California's Dianne Feinstein went further still, in a stern and lengthy lecture about the concrete reality of U.S. anti-terrorism law--as opposed to the paranoiac fantasy version now being circulated throughout the land by the likes of Bob Barr and Howard Dean. How's about we concentrate on some facts, Feinstein suggested.

"I've tried to see what has happened in the complaints that have come in," she said, "and I've received to date 21,434 complaints about the Patriot Act." Except these turned out to be unrelated civil liberties gripes, or complaints about a "Patriot Act II" that doesn't yet exist. "I have never had a single [verified] abuse of the Patriot Act reported to me. My staff emailed the ACLU and asked them for instances of actual abuses. They emailed back and said they had none."

The widespread hullabaloo over the Patriot Act, Senator Feinstein concluded, proceeds from "substantial uncertainty . . . about what this bill actually does do." And "perhaps some ignorance," she added.

We'd challenge that "perhaps" part. Otherwise, we're with Dianne Feinstein a hundred percent. Wonders never cease.

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Frank Apisa
Please note what Senator Feinstein says about ---- SUBSTANTIAL UNCERTAINTY AND IGNORANCE.

Occombill
Please tell me how you can develop the perception that the Patriot Act provisions are analogous to "burning the constitution" after reading Senator Feinsteins comments.

Most of you don't realize or won't admit knowing it but many of the provisions of the Patriot Act will automatically die in 2005.

The remaining provisions will be reviewed by Congress for possible repeal. If the threat no longer exists things will return to the status quo-----the ACLU will wag the dog again.

Now what the hell is everyone so PARANOID about?

Frank

......Now tell us what you really think.

It must be very gratifying to be such an expert on " pond scum". Tell me---- what does pond scum feel and taste like?

perception wrote:

Frank

......Now tell us what you really think.

It must be very gratifying to be such an expert on " pond scum". Tell me---- what does pond scum feel and taste like?

Apparently it has no special taste or texture, Perception.

I've never tasted any myself, but I have watched George Bush, Dick Cheney, and John Ashcroft lick their lips to moisten them while giving speeches -- and I've never seen a reaction to indicate anything untoward.

Thanks for asking that, also. :wink: :wink:

Frank Apisa wrote:

perception wrote:

Frank

......Now tell us what you really think.

It must be very gratifying to be such an expert on " pond scum". Tell me---- what does pond scum feel and taste like?

Apparently it has no special taste or texture, Perception.

I've never tasted any myself, but I have watched George Bush, Dick Cheney, and John Ashcroft lick their lips to moisten them while giving speeches -- and I've never seen a reaction to indicate anything untoward.

Thanks for asking that, also. :wink: :wink:

Frank:

There are many blind people who need your help, especially ladies who might shake hands with or kiss Howard Dean------they would immediately be able to identify him as "POND SCUM". You need to turn in your badge as a pond scum expert.

You really do disappoint me-----

Frank

Your denial won't change the fact that Howard Dean fits your description of "pond scum" completely. Have a nice day----what's left of it