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SONS OF GUNS

 
 
Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 09:36 pm

I enjoy the gunsmithing on this show,
along with the exotic weaponry that comes along in their door,
but as an old reactionary, I can t get into the esthetic charm
of post-M14 shoulder weapons.

There was a certain beauty in the wood
that now is lost in the new black guns.

For instance, the gunsmiths got a semi-automatic version
of the old Tommy Gun, which thay converted into
something that I imagine the Borg woud like to use; no charm,
tho it is functional.

Not to brag too much, but I 've been accosted a few times
at gunnery ranges, including by the police, commending me
on the beauty of my ordnance. Most of the time,
when I buy a gun, its pretty ez on the eyes.

I don t have any of the new black guns e.g., M16 forward,
(tho not to deny that some of my revolvers and automatics are colored black).

I love and respect the BEAUTY of guns,
which is inconsistent with the newer black shoulder weapons.





David
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 09:42 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I agree. And, if they weren't molded by the thousands by Mattel (they were not), you could sure fool me.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2011 01:11 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I love to know the kind of license they have as they cheerfully turn out/build type two weapons and then even now and then add build in silencers.

The paperwork for creating such weapons must weight more then the guns.

From being on a Federal jury once I know that even a silencer by itself need the same type of class two handling as a machine gun.

Strangely the show seem not to go near that subject.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2011 01:35 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
I love to know the kind of license they have as they cheerfully turn out/build type two weapons
and then even now and then add build in silencers.

The paperwork for creating such weapons must weight more then the guns.

From being on a Federal jury once I know that even a silencer by itself
need the same type of class two handling as a machine gun.

Strangely the show seem not to go near that subject.
Not so; thay ofen speak of taking a few weeks
to have the paperwork completed.

Indeed, Stephanie lost a sale in one of tonight's shows
because her customer was not willing to wait.
She said something like: "Well, the law is the law."

Thay ofen refer to the National Firearms Act of 1934.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2011 01:50 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Indeed, Stephanie lost a sale in one of tonight's shows
because her customer was not willing to wait.
She said something like: "Well, the law is the law."


A waiting period for buying a shotgun is not the same as selling or buying a class two weapon.

I once knew a guy who went through the legal hoops for owing a Thompson machine gun and it is a long and costly road indeed.

I also often wonder how in the hell he could afford to fire the damn thing as fifty to a hundred 45 rounds fire in a few seconds is costly as hell and you can not fire reloads in such a weapon.

Last comment I had watch a numbers of those shows myself and the only one I had seem concerning the legal issue of buying a weapon was the woman wishing to buy a shotgun.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2011 02:12 am
@BillRM,
David wrote:
Indeed, Stephanie lost a sale in one of tonight's shows
because her customer was not willing to wait.
She said something like: "Well, the law is the law."
BillRM wrote:
A waiting period for buying a shotgun is not the same as selling or buying a class two weapon.
I 've not checked this, but so far as I understand, the time involved
is not a waiting period, its just bureaucratic delay
in completing the federal registration process,
but I 'm not a gunsmith, nor have I been involved in such federal registration.
I wonder whether the progeny of the HELLER and McDONALD cases
will end all of that, in time.






BillRM wrote:
I once knew a guy who went through the legal hoops for owing
a Thompson machine gun and it is a long and costly road indeed.

I also often wonder how in the hell he could afford to fire the
damn thing as fifty to a hundred 45 rounds fire in a few seconds
is costly as hell and you can not fire reloads in such a weapon.
Well, that 's the cost of doing business,
and its FUN! I LOVE machineguns and submachineguns.






BillRM wrote:
Last comment I had watch a numbers of those shows myself
and the only one I had seem concerning the legal issue of buying
a weapon was the woman wishing to buy a shotgun.
Last nite, thay had the one with the Sheriff who wanted his replica
Thompson gun upgraded to fully automatic fire.

Will told the Sheriff that the paperwork woud be finished
in a few weeks. He 'd then hand-deliver it to his team.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2011 12:36 pm

I hope that we will return to the unlimited freedom
of gun possession that we had in the early part of the 2Oth Century.





David
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2011 12:56 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
hope that we will return to the unlimited freedom
of gun possession that we had in the early part of the 2Oth Century.


That would made drive-by shootings even more fun that for sure.

Instead of just thirty rounds or so fire we could get back to the 1930s with a few hundred rounds fire.

Every bank/store robbery would be far more entertaining with cheap fully auto weapons that for sure.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2011 05:08 pm
@BillRM,
David wrote:
hope that we will return to the unlimited freedom
of gun possession that we had in the early part of the 2Oth Century.
BillRM wrote:
That would made drive-by shootings even more fun that for sure.
Dangerous men shoud be isolated and removed from contact with society,
preferrably not on the North American Continent.




BillRM wrote:
Instead of just thirty rounds or so fire we could get back to the 1930s with a few hundred rounds fire.
That was very unusual; life in the 1930s was quiet.




BillRM wrote:
Every bank/store robbery would be far more entertaining with cheap fully auto weapons that for sure.
If victims were sufficiently well armed,
then thay 'd remain unmolested (like Fort Knox).





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2011 11:14 pm

I enjoy the gunsmithing,
but Will seems to have something of an authoritarian personality.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2011 08:06 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
That was very unusual; life in the 1930s was quiet.


You got to be kidding me you have outlaws running around the country robbing banks, killing each others and killing police officers with Thompsons and even Bars.

That were the reason for the ban in the first place.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2011 08:17 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Quote:
That was very unusual; life in the 1930s was quiet.


You got to be kidding me you have outlaws running around the country robbing banks,
killing each others and killing police officers with Thompsons and even Bars.

That were the reason for the ban in the first place.
I guess u have a lot of faith in the movies
(most of which, did not show a lot of nothing happening).
That is not to say that there was no crime AT ALL,
but not like the movies 'd have u believe.

The reason for the enactment was ideological
the same as it is now.





David
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2011 08:19 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Movies??????

All the outlaw gangs was real people who kill real people including real police officers.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2011 08:23 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Movies??????

All the outlaw gangs was real people who kill real people including real police officers.
ALMOST EVERYONE in the entire nation
was NOT an outlaw.
Those were just a few weirdos.
The times were relatively quiet.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2011 08:30 am
@BillRM,
1 thing that DID cause some trouble, in the cities,
was rival bands violently in competition,
endeavoring to promote the sale of their
respective contraband supplies of alcohol,
the same as we have had trouble
with rival gangs of dope pushers now.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2011 08:43 am
@OmSigDAVID,
John Herbert Dillinger, Jr. (June 22, 1903 – July 22, 1934) was an American gangster and bank-robber in the Depression-era United States. He was charged, but never convicted, with the murder of an East Chicago police officer whom he shot in the knee while fleeing the scene of his heist. Dillinger could not let off the trigger of his automatic weapon quick enough to stop from shooting the officer through the lung and heart. Dillinger was very troubled by this accidental killing. Although this was the only kill that is documented to have been by Dillinger's hand, during his bank heists a dozen victims — prison officers, police, federal agents, gangsters and civilians — were killed. His gang robbed two dozen banks and four police stations. Dillinger escaped from jail twice.
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Bonnie and Clyde carry bars and used them..........with many deaths
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Machine gun Kelly carry a Thompson.
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The Chicago gangs love the Thompson and have mass killings using them and drive-bys.
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Movies hell real men was kill and take note these gangs used their firepower to attack police stations and jails also.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2011 09:03 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
John Herbert Dillinger, Jr. (June 22, 1903 – July 22, 1934) was an American gangster and bank-robber in the Depression-era United States. He was charged, but never convicted, with the murder of an East Chicago police officer whom he shot in the knee while fleeing the scene of his heist. Dillinger could not let off the trigger of his automatic weapon quick enough to stop from shooting the officer through the lung and heart. Dillinger was very troubled by this accidental killing. Although this was the only kill that is documented to have been by Dillinger's hand, during his bank heists a dozen victims — prison officers, police, federal agents, gangsters and civilians — were killed. His gang robbed two dozen banks and four police stations. Dillinger escaped from jail twice.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bonnie and Clyde carry bars and used them..........with many deaths
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Machine gun Kelly carry a Thompson.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Chicago gangs love the Thompson and have mass killings using them and drive-bys.
--------------------------------------------------------

Movies hell real men was kill and take note these gangs used their firepower to attack police stations and jails also.
He was a colorful character.
Yet, this was all very unusual.
Government has no jurisdiction of firearms possession,
but it remains to be seen how the USSC will decide on submachineguns or automatic rifles.

The Court is holding the door open on that.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2011 09:10 am

It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful
in military service—M-16 rifles and the like—may be banned,
then the Second Amendment right is completely detached
from the prefatory clause. But as we have said,
the conception of the militia at the time of the Second
Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens
capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of
lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia
duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as
effective as militias in the 18th century, would require
sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large
.
[All emfasis has been added by David.]

D.C. v. HELLER
554 US 290; 128 S.Ct. 2783 (2008)
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