The creation of everything... How?

Are you familiar with quantum consciousness?
We believe quantum physics to be the most accurate mathematical description we have of the universe.

Professor John Hagelin can explain it far better than I can. As you watch this video, keep it in the front of your head at all times that what he is saying is based on the same science that supports big bang. Only, this is what is happening today, not 60 years ago.
I say that because the world he explains sounds alot like vedic "science".

I will look at the video and if anything in science is as crazy as religion believes it would have to be quantum machanics.

Poor Einstein could not accept it because it was too wild for him in his old age.

Ok I will look at what you had come up with and get back to you.

Well I am not an expert on quantum physics and it is a wild and brain expanding subject however my impression is that Dr. Hagelin is both into quntum physcis and Transcendental Meditation IE new age nonsense.

Trying to sell a connection where none exist.

Not all scientists are sane and you seem to had found one who is not walking around with a full desk even those it is hard to tell with people working in the area of QP.

Below is how some of his follews QP workers view his work in combining QP with Transcendental Meditation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagelin

Dallas Observer political reporter Jonathan Fox wrote that "Once considered a top scientist, Hagelin's former academic peers ostracized him after the candidate attempted to shoehorn Eastern metaphysical musings into the realm of quantum physics."[38] According to Woit, Hagelin began connecting consciousness and the unified field in the late 1970s as a Ph.D. student at Harvard. Hagelin's collaborative work in particle physics continued until 1994.[39] Anderson says that John Ellis, director of CERN, was worried about guilt by association. Anderson quotes Ellis as saying "I was afraid that people might regard [Hagelin's assertions] as rather flaky, and that might rub off on the theory or on us."[25]


Hagelin's linkage of quantum mechanics and unified field theory with consciousness was critiqued by University of Iowa philosophy and sociology professors Evan Fales and Barry Markovsky in the journal Social Forces. They wrote that Hagelin's equating consciousness with the unified field relies on a similarity between quantum mechanical properties of fields and consciousness, and that his arguments rely on ambiguity and obscurity in characterizing these properties. They dismiss Hagelin's parallels between the Vedas and contemporary unified field theories as a reliance on ambiguity and vague analogy supported by constructing arbitrary similarities.[40]
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When and if he come up with some hard scientific proof for his theories I will be interest in learning of it.

More information on new age college Prof John Hagelin is part of. Not a center of advance research to say the least!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharishi_University_of_Management


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Transcendental Meditation teachers conceived the university and Nat Goldhaber established it in 1971. Maharishi International University (MIU) was inaugurated by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Robert Keith Wallace became its first president in 1973. Its first location was an apartment complex in Goleta,[9] a small community near Santa Barbara, California, where it began with one hundred students and thirty-five faculty members.[4]

In June 1974, the university purchased the campus of the former Parsons College in Fairfield, Iowa.[4] Parsons, founded in 1875, had gone bankrupt after losing its accreditation.

The only requirement for admission to MIU at that time was a high school diploma, and transfer students were accepted without regard to their academic standing. All students were required to complete the 24 courses in the freshman course of study, some of which consisted of taped lectures by "resident" faculty who did not set foot on campus during their courses.[9]

As of 1976, all faculty and administrators were paid the same base salary of $275 per month, with additional stipends on a sliding scale for those with spouses and children, and all lived in university dormitories for free.[10]

After moving to the Fairfield campus, MIU was listed as a "candidate for accreditation" in 1975[10] and in 1980 received accreditation by the Higher Learning Commission and became a member of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools (NCACS).[3]

Bevan Morris was appointed president and chairman of the board of trustees in 1979. The first of the Golden Domes was completed that same year to provide a building for the group practice of the TM-Sidhi program.

In July 1983, it was reported that many students at Maharishi International University were expelled for distributing literature for meditation seminars by Robin Carlsen, a dissident who criticized the movement leadership, and others were suspended and had their "super-radiance cards", needed for admission to the meditation domes, revoked.[11] In 1983, Morris organized a special three-week "Taste of Utopia" gathering in December 1983 and January 1984 which attracted more than 7,000 practitioners of the TM-Sidhi program. He later reported that reduced world tensions and a higher Dow Jones stock index occurred during, and as a result of, this event.[12]

In 1995, Maharishi International University changed its name to Maharishi University of Management (MUM).[4]

In order to rebuild the campus according to Maharishi Sthapatya Veda design principles, many of the original Parsons College buildings were demolished, including four that were listed on the National Historic Register. Starting in 2000 and continuing through 2005, the university demolished Carnegie Hall, Parsons Hall, Barhydt Chapel, Blum Stadium, Laser Tower, the dining hall, and 38 "pods".[13] Local preservationists protested the demolition in 2000 of Parsons Hall, built in 1915,[14] and of Barhydt Chapel, designed in 1911 by Henry K. Holsman. An effort was made to move the chapel to a new location. University officials said that MUM would donate it to a community group if they could raise the $1 million needed to move what the Fairfield Ledger described as an "ailing building".[15][16]

The Maharishi University of Management stabbing occurred in 2001 when Shuvender Sem, a student at MUM, attacked two other students in separate incidents.[17] He stabbed the first student with a pen and hours later fatally stabbed Levi Butler with a knife. Sem was found not guilty due to insanity and the university settled a lawsuit that charged it with negligence.[17] According to journalist Anthony Barnett, the attacks led critics to question the movement's claims that advanced meditation techniques could end violence.[18] Maharishi said of the incident that "this is an aspect of the violence we see throughout society", including the violence that the U.S. perpetrates in other countries.[18]

Beginning in 2005, film director David Lynch began hosting an annual "David Lynch Weekend for World Peace and Meditation" at MUM.[19] The 2008 event included musical performances by Donovan, Moby and Chrysta Bell.[20] The 4th annual event, November 12–16, 2009 featured Donovan, MUM professor John Hagelin, and the American debut of James McCartney who performed on November 14, 2009 at the Fairfield Arts & Convention Center in Fairfield, Iowa.[19][21] The weekend conference was intended to appeal to those "interested in creativity, film, art, sustainable living, organic agriculture, brain development, consciousness, meditation, natural medicine, renewable living, peace".[19][22]

Yes, there is that. He is by all accounts a brilliant man, but other brilliant men question his work, and they have to be considered, I agree. But 60 years ago, when the big bang theory was presented, do you think it got universal acceptance over night? The theory was proposed by a priest from the Catholic University of Louvain. Don't you think his contemporairies suspected him of religious bias?



Considering that the brain functions that we can measure as activity indicative of consciousness are processes that happen on a quantum level, how is it unreasonable to do as Hagelin does here? I would think it natural that there is a similarity between quantum mechanical properties of fields and consciousness, simply because consciousness can and does operate at quantum levels. Also, consider the notion that consciousness becomes what it does.

There is another scientist who thinks in similar ways, and he doesn't mix in what you refer to as new age nonsense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s42mrdhKwRA

All this is relatively new, and there is by no means conscensus, but I think that this may eventually become a real challenge to the accepted views. It may not disprove big bang, but it may shift the relevance of the theory so that it becomes less significant.

When there is some proof you might be correct as the universe is both a strange and wonderful place.

However scientific proof is needed ......................

It is.

Wether or not this approach is better remains to be seen, but it does give us an example of a theory of reality that, if it becomes generally accepted, will make people of the distant future look back at the big bang theory and wonder how people could believe something so silly.

Given that we now know what the universe look like within a million years of the big bang disproving an event that have a mountain of proof for and more coming in every year disproving the big bang event is going to be similar to disproving that the earth moon exist.

And there we go again with the "I" choose thing...one needs!!!
A need sets me back to a cause in order for me to need, at least to a correlation...nevertheless my need is real!...Counscience amounts only to measurement of my circunstance...which again its Real! Factual!
What other sense of real is there???
My experience its functionally right, its happening...it descrives what I functionally see...ITS TRUE!!!

...If it is the case that the Big-Bang theory comes to be wrong it certainly won t have anything to do with a theory of counscious choice!

by energy and matter

electric

By thinking it up ?





David

To some people, disproving god is like disproving the existence of the moon. Sometimes new facts can be introduced that kill a theory while not changing any facts that supported it.
I am not denyting the facts, which seems to be what some of you think I am doing. I am merely questioning our way of connecting them into what is known as the big bang theory. It is accepted as true because it works. That is not to say that we can never penetrate deeper into it and perhaps come to realize that it doesn't work so well after all. And this can happen, not because physics suddenly changes, but because we may change.

No, because according to evolution theory and big bang theory, choice was introduced to reality with human beings.
But how can life appear from dead matter?
How can physical objects go from being unconscious to becoming conscious?

These are two questions that need answering if we accept these theories as true without reservation. But there are no conclusive answers to this in neither evolution nor big bang theory. In fact, the way these theories are now, these things appear paradoxical.
If we are able to come up with a theory that makes clear how life and consciousness fits into reality, it may be that such a theory will challenge many of our preconceptions, such as the way we tend to think of consciousness.

Link: http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html

It is never never anyone task to disprove a theory scientific or otherwise theory.

No one need to disprove the big bang theory it need to be proven at least to the point that it is far more likely then otherwise to be correct.

To me looking at fifty years of hard proof the big bang theory is as rock solid as any other currently scientific accepted theory.

The supernatural god theories in all it versions had no such proof behind them.

Well, ultimately it comes down to what we believe in.
You believe in the big bang. So do I, and I recognize that regardless of the facts that support the theory, it is a belief. Though a reasonable one with lots of indications in its favor.
I am merely trying to keep an open mind.
My exploration of quantum consciousness and the ideas of John Hageling do not contradict the facts of science, though it is safe to say that they go beyond what science can address, making it a matter of philosophy.

But there is one point at which belief unfounded by fact is required for big bang.
It was a physical explosion, by all accounts, and consciousness didn't enter the universe until much later. This is the general view of those who has contributed to the big bang theory over the years.
But this single assumption about consciousness doesn't have any basis in fact. Here, classical physics, as well as evolution theory requires an element of faith.

I know you been trying very hard to sell that position hard but to me it is nonsense

Classical physics prove itself every minute of every day as it is used to solve real life problems from designing the braking system of a car to sending a space probe to Mercury.

I am not disputing the value classical physics has to us.

But if it is nonsense, could you perhaps point me to the conclusive evidence produced by classical physics that shows with absolute certainty that consciousness evolved from physical matter?

(Edit: Deleted last part of last sentence, since it only served to confuse the issue)