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Are you against Christian Sharia Law?

 
 
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 07:27 am
When there is one group that is picked on so to speak,then yes it is right to go out of your way to defend them. Right now Muslims/Arabs are the new target in hate. Here is an egregious example.

Salaita: Dressing like a Terrorist

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Like many others, I was dismayed to learn of the two imams wearing traditional Muslim garb who were forcibly removed a couple of weeks ago from an airplane that was to carry them to a conference on Islamophobia (the irrational fear of Islam!). The clothing of the passengers who were removed from a Delta/ASA flight in Memphis, Masudur Rahman and Mohamed Zaghloul, apparently frightened other passengers and upset one of the pilots, who refused to fly with them on board. This act of bigotry was condemned in some quarters, but not everywhere. The Delta/ASA pilot and the frightened passengers have received support from numerous voices among the American commentariat.

The situation was a clear-cut case of ethnic profiling. On this everybody has to agree if they are being honest with themselves. I have been reading commentaries about the case with much interest. One argument in particular keeps arising: the notion that Rahman and Zaghloul deserve what happened to them because they dressed like terrorists. The reasoning goes like this: Muslims commit terrorism; Muslims look a certain way; a certain look thus portends the possibility of terrorism. In short, those who appear to be Muslim are worthy of extra scrutiny because they are more likely to be terrorists than other people.

The belief that Muslims are more likely than others to commit terrorism, however, is a myth. Europol reports that in 2010, out of 249 acts of terrorist violence in Europe, only 3 were attributable to Muslim extremists. Then there is the issue of what constitutes “Muslim” dress. Since the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world live everywhere from Sao Paolo to Djakarta and Johannesburg to Tashkent, they do not exactly have a prescribed uniform. Then, some of what Americans think is “Muslim” fashion isn’t. Bigots bother the poor Sikhs all the time for wearing a turban and tunic. Even Rahman and Zaghloul wore different types of clothing on the day they were profiled.

Here I’d like to focus on this notion of “dressing like a terrorist,” a phrase that has the peculiar intimation of a fashion statement. There is no quantifiable evidence to show that dress is a predictor of any sort of behavior, especially the behavior of terrorism. What we’re dealing with in the Rahman and Zaghloul case is an overwrought imagination that associates political violence what I call the terrorist costume.

The terrorist costume is a simulated reality, circulated in Hollywood and countless news broadcasts, that evokes a causal relation between appearance and action. The terrorist costume is familiar to nearly all Americans: a thick beard, an ashen robe, brown skin, sandals holding dirty feet, and some sort of headgear, usually a turban (Sikh style, of course). The terrorist wearing this costume often sports a Qu’ran, so the audience can be certain that he is a Muslim.

Yet the acts of terrorism that have been committed by radicals of Muslim heritage involved perpetrators, like Mohamed Atta, who didn’t at all resemble the image of the Hollywood terrorist. Rahman and Zaghloul dressed in a way that set off alarms in some of their American co-passengers because the latter entertained Orientalist fantasies. Ironically, Muslim-American clerics are among the more law-abiding people in the country.

To impugn Rahman and Zaghloul for their dress, then, not only robs them of their Constitutional rights but also violates the rules of basic logic. Perhaps because the United States is a country of immigrants and inherently multi-cultural, its people have a tradition of judging a book by its cover. Many Americans think that appearance (skin color, clothes, physiognomy, ethnic typology, gender, sexuality, possessions, and so forth) predicts attitude or behavior. But making judgments by stereotype is recognized by decent Americans as unethical, and there is a reason for which civil rights legislation has made it illegal in some circumstances.

Those who believe that Rahman and Zaghloul brought their unjust treatment on themselves ought to think about what their lives would be like if their own logic were applied to them. In the end, if we are to let fanciful stereotypes dictate access to basic rights of citizenship, then none of us will ever live up to the promise of our own worth, or to that of our nation.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 07:30 am
@raprap,
No, religions are not equal. Why don't you take some of the time you post nonsense on this forum and use it to educate yourself about the beliefs of Islam from the Quran.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 07:31 am
@raprap,
Jesus said to love your neighbor. Mohammed said to not make friends with Christians or Jews. Now you tell me which one of these men is a bigot.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 07:32 am
@revelette,
Why did Mohammed say in the Quran to his followers to not make friends with Christians or Jews? Do you think that is a bigoted statement?
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 08:00 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
This has been discussed somewhere on one of these threads before. The verse you are referring to is like some in the Bible where you can't be yoked to unbelievers to the point where there is no distinction.

15 Commonly Misquoted Verses From the Quran
Part 5 of 5 Parts
. Verse 15: "Take not the Jews and Christians as friends..." (5:51)
. Conclusion


revelette
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 08:15 am


Ezra 9:11 you gave through your servants the prophets when you said: 'The land you are entering to possess is a land polluted by the corruption of its peoples. By their detestable practices they have filled it with their impurity from one end to the other. 12 Therefore, do not give your daughters in marriage to their sons or take their daughters for your sons. Do not seek a treaty of friendship with them at any time, that you may be strong and eat the good things of the land and leave it to your children as an everlasting inheritance.'

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
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Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 08:48 am
@revelette,
You're confused. Read the words of Jesus and read the words of Mohammed and then you tell me which one is the bigot. Until you do that, you have no idea what you're talking about.
raprap
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 09:07 am
@spendius,
Granted that's true Spendi--but much of the native genocide was justified under the guise of killing savages and stealing their children to introduce them to Christ---that is unless you're a preacher like Chivington, who killed women and children in the name racial cleansing.

Americas handling of the natives and the cleansing of Assyria by the Turks were used as a model by the Reich's handling of the 'Jewish Problem'.

Rap
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raprap
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 09:09 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Never Again bubby. Your bigotry is showing.
raprap
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 09:25 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Xtians don't necessarily follow the words of the prince of peace--St Thoma Aquinas is recognized as one of Christendom greatest theologians but here is a collection of cherry picked quotes

Clearly the person who accepts the Church as an infallible guide will believe whatever the Church teaches.
-- Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica

If forgers and malefactors are put to death by the secular power, there is much more reason for excommunicating and even putting to death one convicted of heresy.
-- Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica

As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active power of the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of a woman comes from defect in the active power.
-- Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica

That the saints may enjoy their beatitude and the grace of God more abundantly they are permitted to see the punishment of the damned in hell.
-- Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica

You, and your bigoted ilk, justify your quest for crusade by cherry picking. To me, you're all practicing Xtianity by talking the talk, but not walking the walk.

Never Again, bubby. Never again.

Rap




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Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 10:21 am
@raprap,
Your ignorance is showing. Religions are not equal. Any person who says crap like that is intellectually lazy or stupid. Which is it?
raprap
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 10:43 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
I guess Thomas Jefferson was intellectually lazy, bubby.

Rap
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 10:51 am
@raprap,
I'm glad you brought up Thomas Jefferson and Islam. Thanks.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1679848/posts
raprap
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 11:12 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Nice try--bubby, but

Jefferson's Quran http://www.slate.com/id/2157314/

Rap
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 11:13 am
@raprap,
Way ahead of you, pissant.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/182765/obama-revisionism-adams-and-jefferson-friends-islam-andrew-c-mccarthy
raprap
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 11:29 am
Religious bigotry has been practiced by religious fundamentalists of all stripes.



Now I know what you look like, bubby--you have the dirty face of a confused Eric Idle, ignorant and looking for an excuse to 'burn a witch'.

Rap
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raprap
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 11:40 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
backatya, bigot--http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0205/tolerance.html

Rap
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 11:46 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
I don't even give you the benefit of being confused or ignorant. Taken from the words of Qur'an and the Bible, both are saying about the same thing.

Since I am a christian, I don't believe the words of the Qur'an, nor do I think Mohammad was a prophet. I don't believe there was a prophet after Jesus Christ. So I would not worship at the Mosque nor would I would I worship at an inner faith church comprised of all the religious faiths because I don't believe in any of them. If I did worship at those churches then I would be yoked with them in spirit which would make my faith Jesus of no effect.

However, I do hold anything against Muslims or any other religion for believing different. I would be friends of Muslims the same anyone else of any other religion or atheism.

You do not agree, I know. shrug
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 07:23 am
@raprap,
We are all aware that Jefferson was an honorable man and believed in religious freedom. However, that does not take away the fact that he fought muslim pirates. In fact, the US Marines were established for that purpose. "From the shores of Tripoli"......US Marines. Goat humper.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 07:28 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Being from Barbary, wouldn't they be Barbarians?
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