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Reply Sat 26 Feb, 2011 02:10 pm

When I go to the movies and predatory acts are shown,
I hope that the victim thereof will respond by applying greater power
against the predator than the predator possesses, thereby defeating the bad guy.

I guess that supporters of gun control hope for the victim
to be helplessly obaying all gun control laws when the predator strikes. Right ??





David
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 26 Feb, 2011 03:56 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
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When I go to the movies and predatory acts are shown,
I hope that the victim thereof will respond by applying greater power
against the predator than the predator possesses, thereby defeating the bad guy.

I dont think that youve gotten the concept of plots and continuity in motion picture arts. When Butch and Sundance ran out of that pueblo into the street in Columbia, they were shot down by the ARmy. That was all part of the story line.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 26 Feb, 2011 03:58 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
did you try the popcorn, dave?
boomerang
 
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Reply Sat 26 Feb, 2011 07:32 pm
All American horror movies are built around the concept of the "final girl" (occasionally it's a "final boy") who overcomes the bad guy and by becoming brutal becomes the victor.

The only American movie I can recall where the bad guys "won" is "Funny Games". It was not well received.
djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 26 Feb, 2011 07:36 pm
imagine how entertaining all the Death Wish films would have been if the victims that Bronson would have been avenging, dealt with there attackers themselves

we could have just watch Chuck go to work each day instead, yep, great drama and action, Mr. B working on the Johnson report, trying to decide if he wants steak or chicken for lunch, really gripping stuff
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 26 Feb, 2011 08:53 pm
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
All American horror movies are built around the concept of the "final girl" (occasionally it's a "final boy")
who overcomes the bad guy and by becoming brutal becomes the victor.
Yeah; its important to have more power than the bad guy.




boomerang wrote:
The only American movie I can recall where the bad guys "won" is "Funny Games". It was not well received.
I did not see that one.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 26 Feb, 2011 08:56 pm
@farmerman,
David wrote:
When I go to the movies and predatory acts are shown,
I hope that the victim thereof will respond by applying greater power
against the predator than the predator possesses, thereby defeating the bad guy.
farmerman wrote:
I dont think that youve gotten the concept of plots and continuity in motion picture arts.
When Butch and Sundance ran out of that pueblo into the street in Columbia, they were shot down by the ARmy.
That was all part of the story line.
I think that was real.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 26 Feb, 2011 08:59 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:
imagine how entertaining all the Death Wish films would have been if the victims that Bronson would have been avenging,
dealt with there attackers themselves

we could have just watch Chuck go to work each day instead, yep, great drama and action,
Mr. B working on the Johnson report, trying to decide if he wants steak or chicken for lunch, really gripping stuff
The victims defend and avenge themselves more DIRECTLY than he did.

That was written into the storyline: New Yorkers became more defensive.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 26 Feb, 2011 09:00 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
did you try the popcorn, dave?
It gets between my teeth.
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wayne
 
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Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2011 10:36 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I particularly like No Country for Old Men because real life is like that, the hero doesn't always win. Our weapons don't count for much if we make tactical errors.
wayne
 
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Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2011 10:37 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Yeah; its important to have more power than the bad guy.



It's important to have more brains than the bad guy.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2011 10:59 am
@wayne,
hes still talking about movies here. I think that, among others, one of Daves problems is that he lacks skills in separating art from reality. If Dave were a movie maker hed be able to affect any outcome he desired. (Now, would people waste 10 bucks to see a DAve film?)
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2011 12:02 pm
@wayne,
wayne wrote:
I particularly like No Country for Old Men because real life is like that, the hero doesn't always win.
I have not seen that one.
I have some giant High Definition TVs, and Time-Warner Cable
offers me so many, many movies that I can t see them all.



wayne wrote:
Our weapons don't count for much if we make tactical errors.
Very true. U r a good historian, but from history
u shoud know that having no weapons can bring bad luck.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2011 12:07 pm
@wayne,
David wrote:
Yeah; its important to have more power than the bad guy.


wayne wrote:
It's important to have more brains than the bad guy.
Yeah; that is necessary, but not always sufficient;
e.g., the students who were (unsuccessfully) cowering under
their desks in Columbine and Virginia Tech might possibly
have been smarter than the murderers,
but that, without more, was not sufficient to save them.
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wayne
 
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Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2011 12:07 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
U really should see that one, it's a Coen bro's masterpiece.
It's a good idea to have weapons and brains. Murphy's law can kill you though.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2011 12:29 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
hes still talking about movies here.
I think that, among others, one of Daves problems is that he lacks skills
in separating art from reality.
U accuse me of psychotic lack of ability to tell fact from fiction ?




farmerman wrote:
If Dave were a movie maker hed be able to affect any outcome he desired.
Yes; anyone who makes up a story becomes the god of the universe that he has defined;
its macrocosm n its microcosoms are all as he defines, in every detail.






farmerman wrote:
(Now, would people waste 10 bucks to see a DAve film?)
I dunno; I doubt that we'll find out in this incarnation.
Its not likely that I 'll write any movies in my remaining years.

I wonder how skillfully creative I 'd be at it.
I 'd create a universe filled with Joy n Beauty,
all citizens bearing guns of fine quality (overt & covert)
and well loaded for lethal effect; great LUXURY and FREEDOM.

All governments woud be weak n feeble,
under the supremacy of the Individual citizen, within his rights.
Fonetic spelling woud abound.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2011 12:43 pm
@wayne,
wayne wrote:
U really should see that one, it's a Coen bro's masterpiece.
It's a good idea to have weapons and brains. Murphy's law can kill you though.
Yeah, I saw one of their movies: "Fargo" when its damsel in distress, Kristin Rudrüd,
addressed our group in the 1990s.

I 'll keep an eye out for it.





David
wayne
 
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Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2011 01:27 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
If u see it, let me know what you think.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2011 04:35 pm
@wayne,
wayne wrote:
If u see it, let me know what you think.
OK, Wayne.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 10:01 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I wonder how skillfully creative I 'd be at it.
I 'd create a universe filled with Joy n Beauty,
all citizens bearing guns of fine quality (overt & covert)
and well loaded for lethal effect; great LUXURY and FREEDOM.

All governments woud be weak n feeble,
under the supremacy of the Individual citizen, within his rights.
Fonetic spelling woud abound.


Thats great background and back story stuff. Now youve gotta come up with a plot line and some character development. Its a skill that is a creative effort . You should look at some really bad movies of wars and invasions n things where everyone is evenly matched and it usually takes some upside down reasoning to save the day.(Many times with events conspiring to pull the plug on one side or another)
I loved the plot of Wnchester 73, which was a sort of film noir western of how this one rifkle changed hands so many times . Each ownership exchange usually resulted in one less bad guy. However, this story line hqas been so homaged to death witn so many baaad knockoffs that todays versions are full of hyoerweaponry , helicopter antics and rockets coming out of the screen that I wish to empty my bladder at the screen.

I see your background information as setting up some past or future dystopian state , probably run by capitalist entrepreneurs like , say, SOmalia. (I dont know where the Phonetic spelling fits in except in the case where the Somalian " entrepreneurioal state" has gone on for so long that everyone under a certain age is basically illiterate in language skills but highly skilled in weapons maintenance and firing.

Returning this state to the modern world would possibly make an interesting plot.
Sort of a "Scarface/Untouchables meets King Solomons Mines
 

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