@hawkeye10,
scouting around it appears that after benefits the average bank teller gets $22,400, the average teacher $65,000.....and the teacher works 500 hours less per year. Pretty good gig if you ask me.
@hawkeye10,
Where did you get those figures from? What is an average teacher?
State Starting Salary Average Salary
Alabama $31,368 $40,347
Alaska $38,657 $53,553
Arizona $30,404 $44,672
Arkansas $28,784 $42,768
California $35,760 $59,825
Colorado $35,086 $44,439
Connecticut $39,259 $59,304
Delaware $35,854 $54,264
Florida $33,427 $43,302
Georgia $34,442 $48,300
Hawaii $35,816 $49,292
Idaho $27,500 $41,150
Illinois $37,500 $58,686
Indiana $30,844 $47,255
Iowa $27,284 $41,083
Kansas $27,840 $41,467
Kentucky $30,619 $42,592
Louisiana $31,298 $40,029
Maine $26,643 $40,737
Maryland $37,125 $54,333
Massachusetts$35,421 $ 56,369
Michigan $35,557 $54,739
Minnesota $31,532 $48,489
Mississippi $28,200 $40,576
Missouri $29,281 $40,462
Montana $25,318 $39,832
Nebraska $29,303 $40,382
Nevada $27,957 $44,426
New Hampshire $28,279 $45,263
New Jersey $38,408 $58,156
New Mexico $33,730 $41,637
New York $37,321 $57,354
North Carolina$27,944 $43,922
North Dakota $24,872 $37,764
Ohio $33,671 $50,314
Oklahoma $29,174 $38,772
Oregon $33,699 $50,044
Pennsylvania $34,976 $54,027
Rhode Island $33,815 $54,730
South Carolina $28,568 $43,011
South Dakota $26,111 $34,709
Tennessee $32,369 $42,537
Texas $33,775 $41,744
Utah $26,521 $40,007
Vermont $26,461 $46,622
Virginia $33,200 $43,823
Washington $30,974 $46,326
West Virginia $26,704 $38,284
Wisconsin $25,222 $46,390
Wyoming $31,481 $43,255
Source: The Teacher Portal
@plainoldme,
Sorry about the way this appears: It looked better before I hit the reply button.
@plainoldme,
I counted 12 states with average teacher's salaries in excess of $50,000 and none with an average above $60,000.
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
I counted 12 states with average teacher's salaries in excess of $50,000 and none with an average above $60,000.
That is straight wage...the benefits add $15,000 , which is VERY conservative
Quote:In 1998, Wisconsin teachers received an average of $18,120 in inflation-adjusted benefits, according to the DPI -- a figure that rose to $26,005 in 2010.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/wisconsin-teachers-earned-average-75-587
@hawkeye10,
hawk, You argue for the sake of argument, but your opinions about the cost of added benefits is a non-sequitur. Most professional jobs provides "benefits."
Before you jump in with your "buts," you should do your homework first to learn a) what the average benefits for professionals are, and b) what the pay averages are for any particular profession - taking into consideration 1) years of experience, 2) level of education, and 3) where they live.
I'm also curious to see some detail on what you include in the cost of benefits?
@cicerone imposter,
I found this "resource" on average benefits for All/Average, White Collar, Pro/Spec., and Teachers. As can be seen from this study, teacher's benefits are "average" to all other workers in the state.
Benefit based on Wisconsin averages
…....................All...WhCollar..Pro/Spec. Teachers
Paid Leave.... 9.0%...... 9.9%.... 10.9%....... 7.0%
Insurance...... 9.8%...... 9.0%.... 7.8%......... 11.2%
Retirement... 4.2%...... 4.2%..... 4.4%......... 8.0%
Legally Req.. 11.9%......10.2%.....9%........... 7.1%
Total............ 34.9%..... 33.3%... 33.0%...... 33.4%
Minus Leave 26.0%... ..23.4%.. ..22.2%...... 26.4%
Here's the link for the above info,
http://www.wistax.org/taxpayer/0402.pdf
@cicerone imposter,
ack! Numbers! They burn!!!!!!!
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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@cicerone imposter,
Quote:hawk, You argue for the sake of argument, but your opinions about the cost of added benefits is a non-sequitur. Most professional jobs provides "benefits."
Well, lets take inventory shall we
In the private sector
1) defined benefit pensions are almost gone
2) most sectors have shifted hard into hiring professionals on a contract worker (self employed) basis so that they can zero out ALL of the benefits traditionally paid
3) Have been cutting medical coverage/increasing the cost for decades
4) a sizable minority have had their pensions squeezed by the bankruptcy of their firms, with payouts reduced
Public sector pensions have suffered none of these setbacks.
I am not going to go to a lot of work on this, but the first thing I found proves my point in the UK
Quote:The average public sector pension is worth three times as much as the typical scheme still open to workers in the private sector, research showed today.
A report by the Pensions Policy Institute (PPI) said most new employees in the public sector could still join generous final salary schemes worth around 21% of their salary.
In contrast, employees in the private sector are more likely to be offered a defined contribution scheme typically worth just 7% of their pay.
The PPI said public sector employees were also more than twice as likely to be members of an employer-sponsored pension scheme than those in the private sector - 85% compared with 40%.
The majority of public sector workers are in a final salary pension, under which their retirement payouts are guaranteed according to their pay and how long they have belonged to the scheme.
But only around 15% of workers in private companies are active members of one of these schemes, with the rest belonging to the less generous defined contribution ones.
In these schemes the company only guarantees the level of the contributions it will make, leaving the individual to shoulder all of the risk.
The research showed employers contributed an average of £4,000 a year to public sector pensions for each worker, compared with average contributions of just £1,600 for each worker in a private sector scheme. Staff in the public sector also contributed more than those who work for private companies.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/oct/16/occupational-pensions-pensions
@hawkeye10,
Benefits schmenefits.
First of all, no one . . . let me repeat . . . no one speaking about their wages adds the cost of their benefits.
Second, you are not taxed on your benefits.
Third, benefits are uneven.
Teachers do not earn as much as you said they do.
Now, where should I send the papers? I would love to see you miss the ones that are plagiarized.
@cicerone imposter,
For years, teachers have been trying to convince the Commonwealth of Massachusetts that there should be one benefit package state-wide for all teachers; that it would be less expensive to enroll all teachers in one big group rather than 117 small groups or how ever many there are. Every one said no.
Some communities provide good packages while others provide minimum packages.
@hawkeye10,
The teachers' pension package is through the state. Unlike health insurance which is school district by school district. When you pool that many people, the results are better for everyone. As for people who leave the profession: if you do not teach for two years without retiring, the state sends back to you exactly what you put in.
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:Pretty good gig if you ask me.
Kinda depends on what other gigs you can get. I know that when the economy was doing well, there was a teacher shortage in Texas. Now they're laying off teachers, so obviously there's a surplus right now.
In a few years, we may very well have a shortage again; it all depends on how well the economy recovers.
@hawkeye10,
Bank tellers need a four years degree to do their job or need a skill set anywhere near teachers you got to be kidding me Hawkeye.
Hawkeye you are beginning to be insulting............
It's looking like by the end of the week 4 of the recall petitions will have been turned in to recall 4 GOP senators.
The third one was just turned in.
http://www.leadertelegram.com/article_82df8893-4515-5fb6-98e2-55e8d4c3c324.html
Petition to recall Luther Olsen is claimed to be ready to turn in
http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/120061244.html
Edit -
May have been turned in yesterday -
http://badgerherald.com/news/2011/04/18/six_wisconsin_state_.php
While one recall effort against a Democrat is claimed to be close, they have yet to turn in paperwork.
@parados,
8 of the petitions to recall Democratic Senators are due by April 25 or 26th.
I doubt any of them are going to make it.
http://gab.wi.gov/elections-voting/recall
There are other committees that filed to recall Senators that aren't due until later.
3 of the recall committees for Democratic Senators never completed the proper paperwork so are inactive.
@hawkeye10,
hawk, Don't you ever believe in "giving up" your arguments? Your myopia gets very tiresome.
You set up a whole new argument from the old one in an attempt to make your case, but if you want global arguments, try to digest this one; schools are underfunded, and their budgets are being cut - not only in Wisconsin, but all over the US. What that means to most people is that teachers are losing their jobs; their salaries and benefits, not only their benefits. That's a 100% loss of income.
Can you grasp that, or is that too spacial for you?
@DrewDad,
Quote:In a few years, we may very well have a shortage again; it all depends on how well the economy recovers.
The babies boomeres are retiring there is not question that there is going to be a large shortage of teachers under the best conditions less alone the low pay and benefits conditions that the tea parties wish them to work under.
