It's going to be an interesting recall season.
The rules for recall petitions are here..
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Laws_governing_recall_in_Wisconsin
The person collecting signatures on a petition has to sign the petition with their information about where they live. There doesn't seem to be a requirement of state residence for circulating the petition.
Even more interesting is the story about moneys collected for recall.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/117754668.html?viewAll=1
Hundreds of thousands have been collected by organizations working to recall GOP Senators. Meanwhile the GOP has scheduled a $1000 a plate dinner in DC to help fund their recall efforts. And the GOP accused the dems of controlling the recall from DC.
Quote:It takes $1,000 to get you in the door, but "sponsors" are asked to pony up $2,500 and "hosts" 5,000.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/report-wisconsin-senate-gopers-headed-to-high-dollar-dc-fundraiser-next-week.php
Some websites supporting various recalls
http://recallalbertadarling.org/
http://www.recallharsdorf.com/
It looks like sunshine laws mean the recall paperwork is available online.
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
It will be fun to watch, and it sends a great message: support an asshole and you'll pay the price.
Cycloptichorn
Gosh, that sounds a little threatening and vindictive. Even the much maligned tea party crowd didn't talk that way.
@georgeob1,
Quote:Gosh, that sounds a little threatening and vindictive. Even the much maligned tea party crowd didn't talk that way.
SHUSH George, liberals think that they are the chosen people, they dont take kindly to having their shadow (JUNG) pointed out the them......it ruins the illusion.
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
It will be fun to watch, and it sends a great message: support an asshole and you'll pay the price.
Cycloptichorn
Gosh, that sounds a little threatening and vindictive. Even the much maligned tea party crowd didn't talk that way.
It's not a threat, at all. Just a reality of life. Piss people off and they won't do business with you any longer.
Why bother discussing the tea party crowd? You don't believe any of the negative stuff about them anyway, and no amount of evidence from their rallies will change yer mind.
I think the real problem is that you and Hawk here think that Liberals are pussies, or shove-overs; or smelly hippies. But they're not, and if you guys want to play hardball, I'm sure the other side is ready to play too.
Cycloptichorn
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
It's not a threat, at all. Just a reality of life. Piss people off and they won't do business with you any longer.
Why bother discussing the tea party crowd? You don't believe any of the negative stuff about them anyway, and no amount of evidence from their rallies will change yer mind.
I merely pointed out that the outraged, aggressive response for which the tea parties were criticized, mocked and vilified, is not exclisive to them. It is interesting to observe the criticisms of one followed by rationalizations of the other on the part of some.
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I think the real problem is that you and Hawk here think that Liberals are pussies, or shove-overs; or smelly hippies. But they're not, and if you guys want to play hardball, I'm sure the other side is ready to play too.
Cycloptichorn
Unlike most posters here I have never made any such broad characterizations of liberals, Democrats or any others. I read lots of sweeping and occasionally very offensive epithets and characterizations of liberals and conservitives thrown around by partisans of both sides, (occasionally, but happily not often, including yourself). I have never done so and I believe such behavior is stupid and demeaning. Liberals and conservatives are simply human beings with different perspectives and prejudices.
You really don't know what I think, and such assertions give the lie to the fidelity to truth and evidence that you so tiresomely proclaim.
The issue at hand in Wisconsin is state legislation governing the powers of state employee unions to take part in the inherently governmental functions of managing the work, pay and benefits of state employees. There is nothing unusual or even remarkable about the Wisconsin law or the way it was enacted - except perhaps the absurd flight of the DEmocrat senators. A law that you don't like was passed. That happens to all of us, liberals and conservatives. It is part of the democratic political process.
Threats and vindictiveness are not a part of that process.
@georgeob1,
Quote:There is nothing unusual or even remarkable about the Wisconsin law or the way it was enacted
I would say that splitting an item out of a budget bill and voting on it under non-budgetary rules, with no notice that you are doing so, after weeks of direct claims by both the Gov and Senators in question that the items were in fact budget related (walker reiterated that claim today), does, in fact, merit both the labels 'unusual' AND 'remarkable.'
It's unusual to conduct business in this fashion, and it's remarkable because of the ramifications of the action.
Quote:Threats and vindictiveness are not a part of that process.
Well, as to threats, I agree with you. And condemn those who have threatened the Republican senators.
But Vindictiveness? I have to disagree with you on that one. Why, let's just look at the behavior of the Republicans in the Senate since the 2008 election. If you believe that their behavior has been appropriate, then I think you agree with me.
You could say that it SHOULDN'T be a part of the process but the evidence before us would seem to show that it is indeed a large part of our modern political process.
Cycloptichorn
@Cycloptichorn,
Cyclo, This is politics; they would do anything and everything to "win" their legislation. Dirty tricks is all part and parcel of politics; it's the give and take not only between same party members, but across the isle - which admittedly hasn't happened lately. The voters always have the choice to replace them.
The voters have many options on how they respond; they can recall those they elected, they can remove their monies from banks that have supported Walker, they can strike and stay away from work, and many things that only the imagination can limit. Farmers will drive their tractors into town, and show their displeasure. The citizens can demonstrate in many ways. It's all part of "our" democracy. Dirty tricks are still legal.
@parados,
You mean like fleeing the state so you cannot be made to fulfill your responsibility to the electorate that put you in the state Senate.
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I would say that splitting an item out of a budget bill and voting on it under non-budgetary rules, with no notice that you are doing so, after weeks of direct claims by both the Gov and Senators in question that the items were in fact budget related (walker reiterated that claim today), does, in fact, merit both the labels 'unusual' AND 'remarkable.'
Cycloptichorn
How would you rank that action compared to the deliberate flight of Senators of one party out of the state in order to frustrate the legally mandated electoral process for pending legislation that met all of the criteria you are so keen to apply?
As I recall a week ago you took real satisfaction in the flight of the Democrat senators from the state and their sworn responsibilities. It is grossly hypocritical of you now to quibble about the Rebublican response to separate those portions of the legislation requiring the presence of the departed Seanators, and continue the legislative agenda without them.
You act like a spoiled child - able to dish it out but unable to take it with even a modicum of grace or sportsmanship.
Just deserts: tough ****.
@parados,
If it's illegal, they can take legal action, can't they?
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I would say that splitting an item out of a budget bill and voting on it under non-budgetary rules, with no notice that you are doing so, after weeks of direct claims by both the Gov and Senators in question that the items were in fact budget related (walker reiterated that claim today), does, in fact, merit both the labels 'unusual' AND 'remarkable.'
Cycloptichorn
How would you rank that action compared to the deliberate flight of Senators of one party out of the state in order to frustrate the legally mandated electoral process for pending legislation that met all of the criteria you are so keen to apply?
I would rank their flight from the state as both Unusual and Remarkable as well.
Quote:As I recall a week ago you took real satisfaction in the flight of the Democrat senators from the state and their sworn responsibilities. It is grossly hypocritical of you now to quibble about the Rebublican response to separate those portions of the legislation requiring the presence of the departed Seanators, and continue the legislative agenda without them.
Well, I'm having a hard time understanding your position here. In the past you've maintained that all legislative tactics are valid ones, as long as it accomplishes the desired goal, and that there's no such thing as obstruction. Now you seem to believe that the Dems were, in some way, being obstructionist in their behavior.
Regarding the vote, I already opined earlier in the thread that while they probably violated the open meeting rules in some way, it likely won't have any effect on the overall legislation; and I don't remember stating that the Republicans shouldn't be allowed to do what they did. I merely pointed out that, after weeks of claiming that these changes were fiscal in nature and critical to the budget issue, the Republicans effectively admitted that they were simply using that as an excuse to forward their ideology. There is some hypocrisy there.
Quote:You act like a spoiled child - able to dish it out but unable to take it with even a modicum of grace or sportsmanship.
Just deserts: tough ****.
I believe I am in fact 'taking it' with both a modicum of grace AND sportsmanship. Just remember your words later on if the repercussions of this event turn out to be less to your liking.
Cycloptichorn
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I believe I am in fact 'taking it' with both a modicum of grace AND sportsmanship. Just remember your words later on if the repercussions of this event turn out to be less to your liking.
Cycloptichorn
Now you are.
With respect to future events .... your caution is fair. I accept.
The shoes are dropping.........
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Business as usual at UW, UWM while teaching assistants consider strike
e-mail print By Karen Herzog of the Journal Sentinel
Updated: March 10, 2011 10:40 p.m. |(77) Comments
It was business as usual at the state's two largest public universities Thursday, but with an undercurrent of tensions over the state Senate's abrupt vote Wednesday night to eliminate collective bargaining provisions for most public workers.
Possible strikes are being discussed by teaching assistant unions at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, but no vote has been scheduled at either campus. Faculties at the two campuses are not unionized.
Unions representing teaching assistants are gathering information on possible ramifications of a strike, and are carefully considering the wisdom of a strike, according to sources at both campuses, who are teaching assistants.
Graduate assistants who are both students and teachers will see a 170% increase in their health insurance premiums under the budget-repair bill, UW System President Kevin Reilly told the Board of Regents at a meeting in Madison Thursday.
"They will be some of the hardest hit employees in the state," Reilly said, "The compensation they receive is to be deeply diminished."
If the teaching assistants decide to strike, it's possible several public employee unions could agree to strike together.
UW-Madison spokesman John Lucas said officials had not received formal notice of job actions by teaching assistants, or any other campus employees represented by unions. The university continues to advise students to attend class and take exams, if scheduled, and faculty and staff to teach in the way they normally would.
UW-Milwaukee spokesman Tom Luljak said Thursday that no job actions had been announced there, either, and that classes took place as usual. Teaching assistants held a "grade-in" at the student union, and graded papers while displaying signs protesting Walker's budget-repair bill.
Contracts covering about 2,800 teaching assistants at UW-Madison and about 900 teaching assistants at UW-Milwaukee are set to expire at the end of this week.
About 400 members of the union representing UW-Madison teaching assistants voted Thursday night to form a work group to devise a plan to go on strike, should the membership deem it's necessary, said union leader Peter Rickman. UW-Madison is on spring break next week, so no strike would be called in the next week, Rickman said.
In the meantime, teaching assistants plan to help with petition efforts to recall Republican senators who support Walker, and will participate in weekend protests at the Capitol, Rickman said.
Teaching assistants at both campuses say they are worried they could be fired if they strike.
Both campuses have contingency plans, should an employee union vote to strike, said David Giroux, spokesman for the UW System.
UW-Milwaukee still has classes next week before its spring break.
Teaching assistants, who teach many classes at both UW-Milwaukee and UW-Madison, were allowed to unionize in order to bargain for benefits.
Faculties in the UW System within the past year were authorized to form unions.
So far, faculties at UW-Eau Claire, UW-Superior, UW-La Crosse and UW-Stout have voted for union representation. The UW-Stout faculty is the most recent faculty to approve union representation through the American Federation of Teachers-Wisconsin. The UW-Stout faculty voted 196-31 in favor of a union on Wednesday.
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@hawkeye10,
You sure are a Fox right wing supporter Hawkeye posting this nonsense that a recall is not call for.
If anything is the world call for a recall the behavior of the GOP does indeed call for such a recall.
@BillRM,
Quote:You sure are a Fox right wing supporter Hawkeye posting this nonsense that a recall is not call for.
Why are you shooting the messenger?? The editorial is from the largest and most important paper in the state. Yes, we all know newspapers are not what they once were, but when the Milwaukee Journal says that recalls are a bad idea we who want to maintain a fair and balanced understanding of the situation in Wisconsin should listen.
@hawkeye10,
You had been very one sided in your total support for Walker and his fronting for the super rich to destroy the middle class on this thread Hawkeye.
And it does not matter one little bit the position a newspaper had taken large or small as by all current reports the recalls efforts had already broken all records and are on track to be completed way before the two month deadline.
Without recalls being possible the likely outcome would be one strike after another for the next two years greatly harming everyone in the state union supporters or not.
Thank god for the outlet of having a recall in such a situation.
@BillRM,
Quote:Without recalls being possible the likely outcome would be one strike after another for the next two years greatly harming everyone in the state union supporters or not.
Then perhaps the people considering striking should not do it.....they have the power to say no to a strike, right?
Quote:And it does not matter one little bit the position a newspaper had taken large or small as by all current reports the recalls efforts had already broken all records and are on track to be completed way before the two month deadline
do you have any links?? THis is all I find, which is not all that impressive
Quote:On Tuesday, the Wisconsin Democratic party reported that it had about 15 percent of the signatures it needed. On Thursday, Democratic spokesman Graeme Zielinski reported that updated numbers were not available, but that the number of signatures “absolutely has increased.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/261917/wisconsin-playing-recall-card-katrina-trinko
Quote:While they won't reveal where they are in each district -- saying they want to keep Republicans guessing -- efforts from some national groups have focused on three state senators: Randy Hopper, Alberta Darling and Dan Kapanke
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/daily-fix-poll/will-the-wisconsin-recall-effo.html
this from the people who are claiming to be trying to save democracy in Wisconsin, is rich. What about sunshine, didn't we hear claim that the Democrats are for sunshine??
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
You mean like fleeing the state so you cannot be made to fulfill your responsibility to the electorate that put you in the state Senate.
Leaving the state is not against any rule. Leaving the state allowed for the public to become aware of what the GOP was trying to do. Once the public knew what was happening, they were not pleased. The GOP was left to deal with the public. Predictably, they didn't give a ****.
This could have gone poorly for the Dems, but the simple truth is that public opinion sided with the Dems for leaving the state and gave the public the chance to voice themselves. It certainly could have backfired on the Democrats, but the citizens of WI did not want this. They wanted compromise at minimum, and for the GOP to back off completely at best. The GOP pushing this through with procedures that are
not allowed by their own by-laws, and in spite of public response is bad form, and frankly foolish for the GOP.
Obama hasn't even started to mobilize for 2012, but if citizens are already mobilizing against the GOP, it's bad news for conservatives. Certainly Iowa Republicans agree, and that's why they backed down early from trying the same move. The only question left is what Hector the GOP is going to send out to meet Achilles.
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