As long as Germans think they have the greatest nation in history but consider those willing to do anything to go there to be criminals there will be a problem.
The solution to not "rewarding" illegal behavior is to not make inevitable and innocuous behavior illegal.
I think reform is sorely needed, but I doubt much will change. In Germany, they insult visitors and tourists so much that nations reciprocate.
Just to visit Germany many have to provide officials with information on their job and salary and are often rejected for no reason other than mere suspicion of immigration.
I know countless well to do foreigners who merely wanted to visit Octoberfest but were rejected entry into Germany because they come from a poor country.
The situation is absurd. Germans lose sight of humanity through selfish xenophobia.
Being born a German is a pretty good bit of luck. And the ignorance and selfishness is such that they want those who wish for a better life and a piece of the pie to be classified as criminals.
It's attitudes like that that make me think many of us do not deserve the privilidge of being born a German.
The sense of entitlement those lucky enough to be born in good circumstances exhibit and the measures they take to try to keep the good life out of the hands of others saddens me.
It makes more sense to criminalize such pigish behavior.
Craven's statement that America has set some type of xenophobic standard is bullshit. If we have set a standard about immigration--it is an improvement on most other nations'. They are still 'checking blood percentages' in some countries.
I used the post to show the initial words were inflammatory and unfair. It sounded just as bad when Germany was substituted for America.
It has occurred to me that aggressive foreign policy (belligerence, military intervention, unfair trade, unfair finance conditions) exacerbate the world emigration/ immigration problem hugely.
People want to move to where they have a hope of prospering. And for many, the choice is as stark as move, or die.
As long as Americans think they have the greatest nation in history but consider those willing to do anything to come here to be criminals there will be a problem.
In the US we insult visitors and tourists so much that nations reciprocate.
The situation is absurd. Americans lose sight of humanity through selfish xenophobia
Craven de Kere wrote:As long as Americans think they have the greatest nation in history but consider those willing to do anything to come here to be criminals there will be a problem.
Not 'some Americans'? If this had been me referring to any other country's citizens, I would have gotten whiplash amid the blizzard of accusations of bias and prejudice, no matter what I wrote next. It is a presumptuous, blanket statement.
Craven de Kere wrote:In the US we insult visitors and tourists so much that nations reciprocate.
I've read many articles and interviews with visitors to the US, who take care to spell out that they were treated with graciousness and hospitality while in the US. I take offense being lumped in this blanket statement by Craven, and so would many others, who are welcoming to visitors here. Blanket statements are an indicator of bias--and that is how I came to the conclusion that this is a Down on America diatribe.
Quote:.The situation is absurd. Americans lose sight of humanity through selfish xenophobia
All of them? Another biased, blanket statement. Again, this is why I took offense. Bias.
Brazilians reciprocate on US travel policy
Friday January 02, 2004
SAO PAULO - Brazilian police photographed and fingerprinted all arriving Americans on Thursday - tit-for-tat for a similar US program that begins next week.
In all, 230 American citizens were thus identified Thursday at Brazil's largest international airport here under what a federal police spokesman called a "judicial decision."
That decision was handed down earlier in the week by Judge Julier Sebastiao da Silva of the federal bench in the central Brazilian city of Mato Grosso based on "the principle of reciprocity," although it could still be annulled by the federal government.
The identification measures were not immediately put into effect at the airport in Rio de Janeiro, where federal police said they had not yet received official instructions, according to the Brazilian press agency, Agencia Brasil.
Beginning January 5, immigration officials at all US international airports will vet visitors' passports and visas and pose the usual questions - before taking their fingerprints and photographs.
That is phase one of US-VISIT, a 380-million-dollar effort to track down terrorists. Visitors from 27 countries whose citizens do not need visas to enter the United States - mostly in Europe, are exempted. [..]
Brazil: Restrictions on US visitors
Friday 02 January 2004
Brazil has begun fingerprinting and photographing US visitors in reponse to planned American security measures which a judge has compared to Nazi horrors.
Federal Judge Julier Sebastiao da Silva, furious at US plans to fingerprint and photograph millions of visitors entering the United States, ordered Brazil's authorities to do the same to US citizens from Thursday onwards.
"We've begun doing this," said a Federal Police spokeswoman at Brazil's Guarulhos International Airport in Sao Paulo.
The judge's order came after a Brazilian government citizens' rights agency filed a complaint in federal court about the US measure.
The US-VISIT system is meant to identify people who have violated immigration controls, have a criminal record or belong to groups the US government lists as "terrorist" organisations.
Starting on Monday, people who need visas to enter the United States will be fingerprinted and photographed when they pass through immigration at major US airports and seaports.
The measure does not apply to citizens of 27, mainly European, nations who do not need a visa to enter the United States.
"I consider the act absolutely brutal, threatening human rights, violating human dignity, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis," said Sebastiao da Silva in the court order released on Tuesday.
Officials at the US Embassy in Brazil were not immediately available to comment on Brazil's decision.
Brazil requires US citizens to have a visa when entering the country.