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Does light have Mass?

 
 
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 09:20 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Wait I missed something here. The Universe is expanding faster than the speed of light. But nothing moves faster than light?
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 09:25 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Well I asked how you would define it and you posted research on neutrinos. So I'm just trying to paint a picture. But I need to understand your point of view so I can use the right vocabulary.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 09:46 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
I'm kinda looking for the structure that gives the resistance for a neutrino to have a speed limit. As the research you showed, it moves at different speeds in different mediums.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 09:53 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Yes I understand. In order to explain the structure they fill in the numbers and then look for the real structure. it's a theory till they find enough evidence to disprove it or make it a fact.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 09:55 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Pete, you need to look into the differences, between reality, theory, and fiction.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 10:14 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Hehe I feel like I'm trying to describe air in the first century hehe. "It's there! A real structure composed of a real material! It provides resistance! " And getting a response "pete why do you even think about these things? They are of no use to us! Don't you see? We use our feet to walk! " lol
Ok well you said when it came to space "of course is a real structure" and it's expanding. So where would be some possible places the material is coming from?
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 07:08 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Space is not in my opinion expanding, however if the big bang theory is correct, then matter is expanding outward into space. What is space then, that the big bang matter is expanding into? That is the question?
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 07:51 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
I don't understand? How is the Universe expanding but not space? Ooh you mean the structure of space was preexisting before the big bang.
Is that what you mean?
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 07:56 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
I can understand your vision.
When we can accurately explain the structure of space, than numbers can be crunched to see if it would withstand the immense gravity of the material before the big bang.
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FBM
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 07:59 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:

...it's a theory till they find enough evidence to disprove it or make it a fact.


That's a pretty common misunderstanding: http://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html

Quote:
What is a Scientific Theory?
Kim Ann Zimmerman, LiveScience Contributor | July 10, 2012 02:07am

A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step—known as a theory—in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 08:00 pm
@FBM,
So how has the warm pond theory been tested?

Sheesh
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 08:11 pm
@FBM,
Hypothesis is the step before theory. Ok now I understand. Thank you.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 08:21 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Yes, one could say that Einstein's, static universe theory was a hypothesized hallucination, of space time.
FBM
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 08:30 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:

Hypothesis is the step before theory. Ok now I understand. Thank you.


No sweat. The word "theory" has a different connotation in vernacular use, but since the topic is about science, I thought it'd be better to use the definition that's used in science.

And, yes, "hypothesis" would be a given explanation before rigorous investigation. Therefore, we can talk about a "god hypothesis." Using "hypothesis" avoids giving it any undue credibility.
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 09:01 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
If that structure , if it was able to withstand the immense gravity of the material before the big bang, it would be observed during the early stages of the expansion. I suppose we are limited on how far back we can see. But it should be pretty close. I heard of a bunch of speed limits being broken back than, but I think they explained that somewhere.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 09:08 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
What structure? who observed?

•The sheep languished blue trains suffer
•Windows books dogs hands paranoid run
•Run desk making dinner sunglasses menu
•Folders pile swimming red clouds
•Sadness cups coffee printer power outage
•Porch steps hallucinate run come here
•Dogs sleep chicken pencil trees
•E-mail purple orange swims blackened
•Garbage pink composition solely bags speak deodorant
•Take sharpness filling soda cans
•Wetness smooth dancing sheep
•Horse paper handbags skipping forests play together
•In worlds with pencils, schools page drink slime
•Loving living nectar of bees of pollen and butterflies run amok
•Children bikes cars sliding
•Typing while sleeping and running while cat
•Over the hills, cloud blue a shelf lay fuschia
•Labels and rash, files are landing
•Wall speaks windy hot mess
•Brightness foresees the rug
•Dirty slime amidst antiquated hoopla
•Take shirt slam crazy bike tires in afternoon
•Amongst all confused working fly
•Sensibly effort compound bed bubble
•Kings sense jester realize tongues poetry
•Words hard journal describe impossible
•Religious hair coma machine idea hate
•Interesting hospital interpreting description extreme encounter
•Junction one distant fragile mine
•Death wretched addled else finally chant mind sea backgrounds
•Obey space cat disjointed languages swearing admit stranger bit dressing
•Picture cake chocolate rambling UFO solar here fuse barking
•Online signature basic color sleep ideas class
•Dog bike cat sat sit down under sleep jump
•Now later red cat boat ship house girl
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 09:23 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Photons take time to travel.
Hey another question that I seem to have trouble understanding. I keep coming up into structures descriptions with zero mass.
I'm having trouble visualizing that.
In your point of view, can such a structure exist?
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 10:15 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Do hallucinations have mass?
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 11:38 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
We both have the same picture of objects with out mass.
I wonder why there's descriptions of structures with no mass?
Like you said "hallucinations" lol
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Wed 17 Dec, 2014 12:01 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
If you were given the challenge to figure out what the mass of the structure of space is, what steps would you take to attempt to find a solution?
 

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