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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2011 06:02 pm
@spendius,
I wondered why Mr Obama when faced with four steps onto the stage always bounds up them.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2011 06:02 pm
@JTT,
I didn't say "war," but "police action." War was never declared, so it never ended.

From Wiki:
Quote:
Etymology

In the United States, the war was initially described by President Harry S. Truman as a "police action" as it was conducted under the auspices of the United Nations.


What I was saying was that the US is not the world's police.

You accuse others of misinterpreting events. You do the same.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2011 06:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
What I was saying was that the US is not the world's police.


Everybody knows that. It has no interest in places where there are no strategic assets. So you're right.

It's an odd sort of humanity though that bases itself on the abundance of mineral resources. By odd I mean unusual.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2011 06:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quoting a lying US president doesn't help, CI. It was nothing more than another set of war crimes against a poor third world country. Did you read the article?

When your plan is to help a group of people, you don't make it possible for your troops, officers included, to rape and murder the population. You don't machine gun innocents, you don't bomb and strafe villages, you don't kill, what was it now, 30% of the population.

Quote:
What I was saying was that the US is not the world's police.


And I agreed. That's another of those fictions created to hide the war crimes.
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2011 06:27 pm
@JTT,
Jesus Christ!!! Can y'all take this elsewhere?

There are real people dying HERE and NOW. There are countless others who are trying to make a difference to their own lives.


They all matter.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2011 06:34 pm
@JPB,
Indeed they do, JPB! And they certainly are being ably represented.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2011 07:15 pm
Al jazeera's Bahrain live blog.

Latest entries including video reports:

Quote:
AJE Live Stream - Bahrain protests continue overnight - Country profile: Bahrain

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/BlogsMainImage/top%20pic.jpg

18 February 2011


2.50am Britain said on Thursday that it was reviewing decisions to export arms to Bahrain after anti-government demonstrators were killed in clashes with security forces.

"In light of events we are today formally reviewing recent licencing decisions for exports to Bahrain," said Alistair Burt, a junior foreign minister with responsibility for the Middle East.

He warned that Britain would "urgently revoke licences if we judge that they are no longer in line with the criteria" used for the export of weapons.

1.53am An Al Jazeera Online producer in Bahrain sent in the following images from Manama:


Bahrainhttp://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2011/02/16/live-blog-bahrain
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2011 07:21 pm
@msolga,
Quote:


Arab capitals braced for violence as unrest spreads
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 17 February 2011 20.34 GMT

Killing of demonstrators in Bahrain and violence in Libya threaten an escalation of regional unrest

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/2/17/1297974762781/Bahraini-demonstrator-lie-007.jpg
Bahraini demonstrator lies injured on a stretcher Bahraini demonstrator lies injured on a stretcher as unrest continues throughout the region. Photograph: Hassan Ammar/AP

Arab capitals are expecting further violent clashes after the killing of three demonstrators in the Gulf state of Bahrain, and the reported death of 15 people in violence in Libya, threatened an escalation of regional unrest in the wake of the popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia.

Fresh protests are expected on Friday after Friday prayers in Manama, the capital of Bahrain, in Cairo (in celebration of Hosni Mubarak's departure a week ago), and in Sana'a, capital of the Yemen, and perhaps elsewhere. ...<cont>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/17/arab-capitals-braced-violence-bahrain
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2011 08:55 pm
@msolga,
Why aren't all these newspapers being bombarded with accusations of undue caution? They show the faces of all these demonstrators, knowing full well that they may be apprehended and tortured by their governments.
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2011 08:58 pm
@JTT,
Indeed they could.
You have a point there.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2011 12:07 am
@spendius,
How would you explain recent US intervention and aid to Africa?
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2011 02:31 am
Latest update from the BBC (including video report):

Quote:

18 February 2011 Last updated at 08:03 GMT

Bahrain protests: Thousands attend funerals

BBC's Ian Pannell: "With more demonstrations being talked about, the pain and the bloodshed may not be over yet"

Thousands of people are attending funerals of victims of Thursday's security crackdown in Bahrain.

Mourners waved banners and shouted slogans against the government. Some said they were ready to die for change.

Four people had been killed and hundreds injured when security forces cleared hundreds of demonstrators from Pearl Square.

A pro-government demonstration is also expected to be held, just hours after Bahrain banned public gatherings.

Tanks have been stationed at strategic points around the streets of Manama.

Soldiers would take every measure necessary to preserve security, the interior ministry said.

Western countries have urged Bahrain to show restraint in dealing with protesters and called for meaningful reform in the small Gulf state kingdom. ...<cont>


Quote:
At the scene
Caroline Hawley BBC News, Manama:

The men are being buried in a Shia neighbourhood, a world away from the gleaming towers of Bahrain's financial district.

The funeral procession has been swelling throughout the morning. There have been chants for the downfall of the government, and for the country's rulers to be punished.

I was shown the blood-stained night robes of Ali Massour, a 52-year-old fisherman shot in the early hours of Thursday morning.

So far the security forces have stayed away. There are fears that the blood already shed will fuel the protests in this tiny but strategically important kingdom.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12502820
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2011 02:43 am
@msolga,

Country profile: Bahrain:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/2011/02/201121672113476490.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2011 02:49 am
From Al Jazeera (including video report):

Quote:
Deadly 'day of rage' in Libya
Last Modified: 18 Feb 2011 05:34 GMT

Libyan protesters seeking to oust longtime leader Muammar Gaddafi have defied a crackdown and taken to the streets on what activists have dubbed a "day of rage".

There are reports that more than a dozen demonstrators have been killed in clashes with pro-government groups.

Opponents of Gaddafi, communicating anonymously online or working in exile, urged people to protest on Thursday to try to emulate popular uprisings which unseated long-serving rulers in neighbouring Tunisia and Egypt.

"Today the Libyans broke the barrier or fear, it is a new dawn,'' Faiz Jibril, an opposition leader in exile, said.

Abdullah, an eyewitness in the country's second largest city of Benghazi, who spoke to Al Jazeera, said that he saw six unarmed protesters shot dead by police on Thursday.

He also said that the government had released 30 people from jail, paying and arming them to fight people in the street.

Opposition website Libya Al-Youm said four protesters were killed by snipers from the Internal Security Forces in the eastern city of al-Baida, which had protests on Wednesday and Thursday, AP news agency reported.

“Libya is a free country, and people, they can say, can show their ideas, and the main thing is that it has to be in the frame of the law and it has to be peaceful, and that’s it, ” Libyan ambassador to the US, Ali Suleiman Aujali, told Al Jazeera on Thursday.

Sites monitored in Cyprus, and a Libyan human rights group based abroad, reported earlier that the protests in al-Baida had cost as many as 13 lives....<cont>


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/02/201121716917273192.html
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2011 04:59 am
@Lash,
Quote:
How would you explain recent US intervention and aid to Africa?


Getting influence there before the Chinese do. Getting rid of surplus food production. Opening markets. A sense of guilt.

Maybe including Africa in the definitions of the Monroe Doctrine and the The "Roosevelt Corollary".

Why are there no Darwinians attacking JTT? It's ridiculous to be promoting the teaching in schools of the "survival of the fittest" (a tautology) and nature "red in tooth and claw" dogmas and then getting all weepy over "war crimes" and "moral outrages" about which evolution knows nothing unless social evolution is allowed. If it is allowed the door is open to religion.

It's as if evolution in schools is being promoted in order to reduce Christian teaching on sexual behaviour by those who have offended against it, or wish to do, and then evolution teaching is set aside when it is necessary to posture as a fine upstanding paragon of decency.

We are all implicated, except the hobo, through our dividends, pensions and benefits. Those we repress and manipulate would do the same to us if they got the chance.

Birds and beasts of prey insignias are everywhere. The Philadelphia Doves don't play the Detroit Lambs.
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2011 07:21 am
I am pretty sure the question is answered or whether the military is going to help the protesters in Bahrain like they did in Egypt or not. I don't understand why there is not a round a clock reporting from all the networks like there was in Egypt and why people world wide are not more outraged at the deaths and crack down of the peaceful protesters.



Bahrain tense amid funerals


Quote:
Many of those present chanted slogans against Bahrain's ruling Al Khalifa family. They said they were both grief-stricken and angry at the heavy-handedness of the police, and that they were demanding that the international community take notice of what they call the brutality of the security forces.

As Friday prayers commenced, Sheikh Issa Qassem, a prominent Bahraini Shia Muslim religious leader, delivering his sermon in a northwestern village, described Thursday's violence as a "massacre".

Our correspondent reported that Qassem said the government was attempting to create a "sectarian divide" between Sunnis and Shias. He advocated peaceful protests, saying "violence is the way of the government", and that protesters should not espouse violent actions.

The crowd at the funerals in Sitra were not as large as those seen during previous funerals, our correspondent reported.


He said this was because of a heavy security presence on the streets, with police and army closing off roads across the country.

No security forces personnel were reported to be present at Sitra on Friday, though a helicopter was seen hovering over the funeral procession.


"Many of those who in the past came out [to protests] ... are afraid. They're frightened and they don't want to turn up at a protest like this because they are fearful for their lives," he said, citing an incident on February 15 in Manama, when at least one person was killed when police fired on a funeral procession.


Now there are protest and violence in Iraq.



Fresh protests hit Iraqi cities



spendius
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2011 08:10 am
@revelette,
An ex British ambassador to Saudi Arabia and Syria was on Newsnight last night and he said that some of the despots in the ME are fighting for their lives. "Literally", he added. He also said that the Bahrain government had taken the decision to put the protests down and that there was no going back.
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2011 08:18 am
Midday summary from the Guardian live blog

12:pm GMT: Here is a summary of events so far:

• Bahrain: After the funerals of protesters killed in recent violence, demonstrators were expected to head back to Manama's Pearl roundabout. Tens of thousands turned out for the funeral of Mahmood abu Taki (see 10.30am). The protesters' demands seem to be getting more radical, with calls for the monarchy to be removed (see 11.33am).

• Egypt: An estimated 1 million people have gathered in Tahrir Square in an event celebrating the fall of Hosni Mubarak and putting pressure on the army to include demonstrators in the country's transition to democracy (see 12.21pm). Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a controversial cleric, gave a strikingly non-sectarian speech.

• Libya: Reports claim up to 50 people have been killed in anti-government protests in the east of the country – but it is very hard to verify information from Libya. Reports claim al-Bayda has been taken over by anti-government protesters. But there was little sign of anti-Gaddafi feeling in Tripoli, where the Libyan leader paraded among crowds of supporters (see 12.17pm).

• Yemen: Crowds are demonstrating against Ali Abdullah Saleh, the president, in the capital, Sana'a, and elsewhere. The biggest demonstration – tens of thousands of people – was in Taiz, where reports said eight people had been wounded by a hand grenade (see 12.12pm).

• Jordan: Eight people have been injured in Amman in clashes between pro- and anti-government demonstrators (see 12.28pm).

• Iran: There were calls for the execution of opposition leaders (see 12.03pm).
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2011 08:27 am
Gotta say here, JPB, everytime I follow one of your links, I learn something.
Joe(Thank you very much)Nation
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2011 08:28 am
@spendius,
I don't really understand why some posters on this thread are siding with the protesters which is the same thing as overthrowing their governments. I can make a case that such an outcome is in the interests of the protesters and also a case that it is in our interests. But my confidence in either case is not all that high. It's a speculation.

I suspect a certain feminine sentimentality is in play here. A sort of "I'm a caring and compassionate type of person" at a vicarage gathering of the Flower-arranging society.

We probably all know somebody who got money from supplying the kit the despots are equipped with. Or paid taxes which helped the school to get some new instruments for the orchestra. Or did their bit to keep the local restaurant in business.

We might be being wound up by Media which wants to pose as the most compassionate and caring institution and not like that nasty government we went to so much trouble and expense to elect. And anybody who doesn't agree is an asshole. A Darwin said assholes rule the earth.

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