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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
failures art
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 04:33 pm
So... what happens next in Mubarak's mind?

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 04:34 pm
@hawkeye10,
Let's summarize this; Mubarak is for the Egyptian people, but he won't listen to their demands that he step down. If they continue to demonstrate for more freedoms, Mubarak will use the army to control the Egyptian people.

The world watches - knowing that the US supported government of Egypt are run by criminals.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 04:35 pm
@failures art,
Mubarak's mind? Pa-leeze!
failures art
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 04:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
No, seriously, what does he think happens next? People will be so discouraged they will just go home? Is that the hand he's playing?

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 04:55 pm
@failures art,
People are saying they will die for the change; I understand that to mean only one thing. The demonstration will not stop until Mubarak leaves, and the crowds continue to get bigger.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 05:09 pm
@failures art,
A lot of people have been making the mistake of thinking Mubarak has no choices or is a puppet of the military leadership.

He is pissed off and he's one very tough bastard: you don't run a country for 30 years and survive six assassination attempts if you're not.

Obviously he's cut from different cloth than his Tunisian counterpart. His primary concern is not to spend what's left of his life in a resort somewhere outside of Egypt; enjoying the riches he stole from his nations treasury.

I'm pretty sure he thinks the demonstrators are a minority of ingrates who don't appreciate all (he thinks) he has done for Egypt, and he, apparently, thinks he still has the clout to put them in their places.

Maybe he does.

The news that he was leaving hit the airwaves damned early and so, obviously, someone in the Egyptian military was leaking what he thought would happen. Maybe he didn't check with Hosni.

If this is Mubarak's last hurrah and the military is calling the shots, he'll be on a plane out of Egypt tomorrow to seek medical attention in Germany or the US.

If he still has a viable power base, anything could happen and it all is probably going to bad.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 05:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Many pages ago I argued, as an economist, that the protesters should tone down their rhetoric lest Egypt spiral downward financially. I later said that it would perhaps be okay for Mubarak to keep his title but have no power until Sept, during which time opposition groups could organize for elections.
So today we hear from Mubarak and from his VP. They simply don't get it.
There is fury in the square in Cairo and throughout Egypt.
Tomorrow could be a bad day.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 05:31 pm
@realjohnboy,
I read that fury to mean only one thing; the Egyptian people will not stop demonstrating until Murbarak leaves.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 05:45 pm
@realjohnboy,
I hate violence but if I had no choice the violence would be at Mubarak's palace.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 06:01 pm
A famous British newspaper editor has just advised President Obama to watch Sky News rather than listen to his expensive experts.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 06:02 pm
@realjohnboy,
Quote:
Tomorrow could be a bad day.


Quote:
After his speech last week, many Egyptians beyond the urban elites in the vanguard of recent protests had said they were satisfied by a promise of change in due course and have said they were more interested now in an end to economic disruption.

But the anger on the streets of Cairo and Alexandria, hours ahead of a planned "Day of Martyrs" protest on Friday to commemorate the 300 or more killed by security forces since January 25 appeared ominous in an environment where the army has been on the streets for two weeks and on Thursday said it was in charge.

"He doesn't seem to understand the magnitude of what is happening in Egypt. At this point I don't think it will suffice," said Alanoud al-Sharek at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. "He has performed quite a sleight of hand. He has transferred authority to Omar Suleiman while somehow retaining his position as ruler."

Mohamed El-Erian, co-chief investment officer at Pacific Investment Management Co., said: "Given the intense disappointment with the speech in Egypt, the country has entered this evening an ominous period of extreme tension and danger that can only be resolved by credible regime change that the majority of Egyptians can buy into"

Earlier in the day, the military high command issued what it called "Communique No.1" and said it was taking control of the nation in what some called a military coup after two weeks of unprecedented protests.

News that Mubarak may hand over power, or be unseated, in this key American ally in the Middle East had provoked loud and emotional cheers in Cairo's Tahrir Square, the focal point for pro-democracy demonstrations. But some in the crowd were quick to protest they did not want military rule. ....(Cairo newsroom)


CAIRO | Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:45pm GMT
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/02/10/uk-egypt-idUKTRE70O18Y20110210?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 06:07 pm
@JPB,
To "pass his powers" is not the same as to "pass powers" JPB. Is Lindsey a lady? Ladies often use such underhand word trickery.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 06:16 pm
@spendius,
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Is Lindsey a lady? Ladies often use such underhand word trickery.


If Lindsey ain't a lady, then that set that silly theory firmly on its butt, eh, Spendi.

Are you a lady? Because you do the same thing, frequently.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 06:21 pm
@JTT,
no, he's a frilly blouse.

(is that the right expression, spendi...?)
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 06:21 pm
@Rockhead,
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you seem as surprised as the rest of us...


I'm not in the least surprised Rockie.

You have all been hystericalised by the usual method which is that of flattering you all to think you know what is going on to the extent of you being blissfully unaware that your comments are not absurd and indignantly uncomprehending of those who start tittering when reading them.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 06:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The lower-middle class owners of mobile phones and computers living in big cities are not the Egyptian people ci.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 06:26 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Are you a lady? Because you do the same thing, frequently.


Give me an example JT. I am eager to correct all my faults.
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 06:27 pm
I see Obama as between a rock and a hard place. This is precisely what he called out for last week when he threw his support behind Suleiman. What's he to say now?

Also, I was watching CNN at the time that the Egyptian Ambassador to the US called in to "clarify" the misstatements that Wolf was making. He was the one who stated that all powers except three had been transferred to Suleiman. He indicated that he had not yet spoken to anyone in the USG but he expected to do so soon. He said he felt he needed to call in to set the record straight because he was hearing false statements being made by the media.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 06:27 pm
@Rockhead,
No. Big girl's blouse is the expression you want.
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2011 06:31 pm
12:21am GMT: the military command was supposed to have made a statement this evening but it appears that has been postponed until Friday morning.
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