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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 03:43 pm
@hingehead,
Yep! Read more here:

The Atlantic: Egypt's High-Powered D.C. Lobbying Ties



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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 03:45 pm
Analysis from the BC:

Quote:

28 January 2011 Last updated at 16:48 GMT
Analysis: Why Egypt matters
By Roger Hardy Middle East analyst, Woodrow Wilson Center
Protesters in Cairo, 28 February 2011
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51003000/jpg/_51003077_51003076.jpg
There have been demonstrations in Cairo and several other cities

If Egyptian unrest turns into an Egyptian revolution, the implications for the Arab world - and for Western policy in the Middle East - will be immense.

Egypt matters, in a way that tiny Tunisia - key catalyst that it has been in the current wave of protest - does not.

It matters because its destiny affects, in a range of ways, not only Arab interests but Israeli, Iranian and Western interests, too.


Egypt, the most populous Arab state, can help determine the thrust of Arab policies - whether towards Israel or Iran or in the perennial quest for Arab consensus on issues that matter.

Above all, the Egyptian state has traditionally had a strength and solidity that made its collapse seem unthinkable.


Even now, with so much that is uncertain, that state and its basic structures may survive - with or without Hosni Mubarak, the country's president for the last three decades.


Islamist wild card


If there is a power vacuum, who is likely to fill it?

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51003000/jpg/_51003620_51003619.jpg
Protesters in Cairo hold a poster showing the image of President Hosni Mubarak, 28 February 2011 Hosni Mubarak has been in power for three decades

Will the powerful military intervene to restore stability?

If they did, would the protesters accept such a scenario - or would they, like their Tunisian counterparts, keep up the pressure for radical change?

And - the wild card that troubles Western policy-makers most - could the Muslim Brotherhood, the country's Islamist opposition movement, somehow exploit the protests to come to power?

Right now, that scenario seems far-fetched. The Brotherhood is trying to jump on the bandwagon of a youthful and largely leaderless protest movement.

They are not in front. They are trying to catch up.

But the situation is volatile. New leaders - nationalist or Islamist, civilian or military - could emerge if the country is engulfed in chaos.


Regional consequences

If the Mubarak regime were to collapse - which is still a big "if" - the fall-out would affect virtually every key player in the region and every key issue.

For Arab autocrats, it would signify the writing on the wall in a far more dramatic way than the fall of the Ben Ali regime in Tunisia.

For Arab protesters, it would be a great boost, fuelling the idea that the region has entered a new era of "people power".

It would deal a blow to an already enfeebled Middle East peace process. Egypt was the first Arab state to sign a peace treaty with Israel, back in the 1970s. A change of regime would alarm Israeli leaders and deepen the siege mentality among many Israelis.

It would affect business confidence, regionally and even globally, especially if oil prices shot up.

Finally, it would pose painful dilemmas for Western policy-makers who have long favoured gradual political reform in the region, fearful that the alternative could be the breakdown of stability and the rise of extremism.

Right now, Arab rulers and Arab citizens are glued to their TV screens, computers and mobile phones for news of how the drama is unfolding.

It will be some time before the smoke and tear gas settle, and the new face of this troubled region begins to come into focus.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12311889
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 03:50 pm
Interesting article here of a pamphlet being circulated, a how-to primer on the protests.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/01/egyptian-activists-action-plan-translated/70388/

By publishing this, is our media is putting the protesters in jeopardy and aiding the Egyptian government in being able to anticipate and put down their tactics?

The comments to the article are debating whether this is akin to an embedded journalist with our soldiers in Afghanistant publishing the tactics for an offensive learned in a briefing before they occurred.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 04:32 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:
Al-Jazeera's live footage is showing a lot of tanks now on the streets of Cairo – and a lot of civilians milling about them unhindered


For those who can't watch Al-Jazeera on tv (like we can in Europe, both the Arab as well as the English channel), they've a live stream on their website, too.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 04:35 pm
@Butrflynet,
This pamphlet indicates this has been in the works for a while. You don't put something like this together over night. Likely they've been held in storage waiting for the right moment.

If you believe the people who developed this pamphlet, by publishing it, our media is putting them in jeopardy and aiding the Egyptian government...albeit not intentionally.

Since "our" media is not Egyptian media, it's difficult to see how publishing sections of this pamphlet can be compared, ethically, to publishing the tactics of a US ground operation in Afghanistan.

A better argument can be made that the US media has an ethical obligation not to put US soldiers in harms way than it does to protect Egyptian protesters and stymy the Egyptian government.

Clearly, The Atlantic gave thought to what they felt might be an ethical dilemma before publishing any portions of the pamphlet, and chose to proceed. I suspect they held back publishing pages they thought might be particularly harmful to the protesters, but I doubt the protesters appreciate their discretion.

In any case, The Atlantic didn't give away any major secrets of the rebellion. If Egyptian security forces can't anticipate what has been published, they have no chance quashing the uprising.

And it's not like dissemination through e-mail and photocopy was ever a sure-fire way to keep the pamphlet out of government hands. They probably had copies ten minutes after they hit the streets.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 04:41 pm
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/28/clashes-erupt-in-cairo-elbaradei-told-to-stay-put-cnn-camera-confiscated/?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

[Updated 5:31 p.m. (0031 in Egypt)] Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak says he has asked the government to resign, and that he will appoint a new government Saturday. He gave no indication that he would step down or leave the country.

[Updated 5:27 p.m. (0027 in Egypt)] President Hosni Mubarak said he is "on the side of the people" and vowed to take steps to guarantee the rights and freedom of Egyptians, develop job opportunities and to "stand by the poor."

He said early Saturday he sees a fine line "between freedom and chaos" and that he would work to secure both freedom and security in Egypt.

"I assure you that I'm working for the people and giving freedom... as long as you're respecting the law," he said.

"I am absolutely on the side of the freedom of each citizen and at the same time I am on the side of the security of Egypt, and I would not let anything dangerous happen that would threaten the peace and the law and the future of the country."

[Updated 5:16 p.m. (0016 in Egypt)] President Hosni Mubarak is expected to speak soon, state-run Nile TV reports. Mubarak has not made any public appearances today.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 04:49 pm
@Butrflynet,
Quote:
By publishing this, is our media is putting the protesters in jeopardy and aiding the Egyptian government in being able to anticipate and put down their tactics?


My feeling (without knowing too many of the details) is that they did, Butrflynet.
Assuming they posted the details before the protests, they alerted the Egyptian authorities to the protesters' tactics, despite a clear request that they be kept secret (for pretty obvious reasons).
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 05:00 pm
@Butrflynet,
Mubarak's likely strategy is to do what it takes (short of resigning) to shut this crisis down and then regroup.

He'll replace one set of government stooges with another, promise reforms and near term elections, and spend some money on the poor.

Once the crisis is tamped down, he will move swiftly to round up the leaders of the democratic reform movement, beef up security and back off of his promises for reform.

It didn't work in Tunisia and it may not work in Egypt but Mubarak is made of much tougher stuff than Zine El Abidine Ben Ali.

Here's hoping it won't work and true democratic reforms will come to Egypt without being hijacked by Islamist fundamentalist.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 05:07 pm
Just wondering how Egyptians react elsewhere, in other A2K-countries.

Here, we had several demonstrations of support for their fellow compatriots. a larger one in front of the embassy, small ones (if you can call it such9 all over the country, even in/outside an Egyptian (owned) restaurant here in my place.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 05:19 pm
A few quotes from a lengthy article written by the Independent's (UK) Robert Fisk.

Egypt's Day Of Reckoning

Well worth a read for some illuminating insights into the situation.:


Quote:
The barren, horrible truth, however, is that save for its brutal police force and its ominously docile army – which, by the way, does not look favourably upon Mubarak's son Gamal – the government is powerless. This is revolution by Twitter and revolution by Facebook, and technology long ago took away the dismal rules of censorship.....


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Quote:
...a kind of Egyptian nationalism – rather than Islamism – is making itself felt at the demonstrations. January 25 is National Police Day – to honour the police force who died fighting British troops in Ishmaelia – and the government clucked its tongue at the crowds, telling them they were disgracing their martyrs. No, shouted the crowds, those policemen who died at Ishmaelia were brave men, not represented by their descendants in uniform today.

This is not an unclever government, though. There is a kind of shrewdness in the gradual freeing of the press and television of this ramshackle pseudo-democracy. Egyptians had been given just enough air to breathe, to keep them quiet, to enjoy their docility in this vast farming land. Farmers are not revolutionaries, but when the millions thronged to the great cities, to the slums and collapsing houses and universities, which gave them degrees and no jobs, something must have happened. .....

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..The Americans and the EU are telling the regime to listen to the people – but who are these people, who are their leaders? This is not an Islamic uprising – though it could become one – but, save for the usual talk of Muslim Brotherhood participation in the demonstrations, it is just one mass of Egyptians stifled by decades of failure and humiliation.

But all the Americans seem able to offer Mubarak is a suggestion of reforms – something Egyptians have heard many times before. It's not the first time that violence has come to Egypt's streets, of course. In 1977, there were mass food riots – I was in Cairo at the time and there were many angry, starving people – but the Sadat government managed to control the people by lowering food prices and by imprisonment and torture. There have been police mutinies before – one ruthlessly suppressed by Mubarak himself. But this is something new.

Interestingly, there seems no animosity towards foreigners. Many journalists have been protected by the crowds and – despite America's lamentable support for the Middle East's dictators – there has not so far been a single US flag burned. That shows you what's new. Perhaps a people have grown up – only to discover that their ageing government are all children. .....


http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-egypts-day-of-reckoning-2196751.html
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 05:29 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
The possibilities include some scary stuff. Although Arabs aren't a monolithic group, so to speak, they can get aligned together over a few things....one being a final solution for their favorite neighbor, Israel. Still, right now - hoping for self-determination through a relatively peaceful process.

I know politically - this seems like a bad thing for the US. We're, I guess, seeing the last vestiges of the Cold War (that crazy chess game by proxy with the Soviets) recalculate in a new global reality. Hope old foes don't seize an opportunity.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 05:30 pm
@Setanta,
I read a report somewhere that the crowd and army were embracing. I'll see if I can find it.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 05:32 pm
@JPB,
Quote:
"a minister in the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu," and reports that Israel appears to be backing the Mubarak regime:

No ****, right!
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 05:39 pm
Quote:
An Associated Press reporter saw the protesters cheering the police who joined them and hoisting them on their shoulders


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_egypt_protest

So, not widespread police defection, but a bit...and not military. Yet.

I have to say: chillbumps on what they are demanding. Hope it turns out well.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 05:45 pm
@Lash,
Unfortunately, they may win the battle but lose the war. It depends on who takes over their government.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 05:50 pm
Surprised Surprise development!

Will this be enough to placate the anti-government protesters, though?:


Quote:

Mubarak sacks Egypt's government, vows reform

January 29, 2011 - 10:32AM/the AGE

President Hosni Mubarak has sacked Egypt's government and vowed to bring in democratic reforms, in a televised address to the nation after several days of deadly anti-regime protests.

"I have asked the government to resign and tomorrow there will be a new government," a stoney-faced Mubarak said early on Saturday after four days of protests demanding his resignation in which at least 27 people have been killed.


Mubarak, in power for three decades, vowed to bring in "new measures" for democracy and justice without giving any indication of other changes, even as protests raged in Cairo and other cities despite a night-time curfew.

AFP

http://www.theage.com.au/world/mubarak-sacks-egypts-government-vows-reform-20110129-1a8pq.html



Also BBC Report:

(including video report):


Quote:
28 January 2011 Last updated at 23:52 GMT
Egypt: Mubarak sacks cabinet and defends security role

President Hosni Mubarak has defended the role of Egypt's security forces in suppressing anti-government protests which have rocked the country. ....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11777943

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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 06:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
yep...he's asked the cabinet to resign. Funny to imagine what our govt is saying in headlines...and what we're likely frantically saying in his ear.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 06:24 pm
I bet the USA is regretting selling the Mubarak government all those tear gas canisters labeled "Made in USA".

Joe(Effendi, look at this!!)Nation
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 06:41 pm
Quote:
In his first address on the political unrest in Egypt, President Barack Obama called on the Egyptian government to refrain from committing violence against peaceful protesters.

"The people of Egypt have rights that are universal," Obama said.

The US president stated that President Hosni Mubarak should restore the protesters' rights to assemble, speak, and self-determination. He also called for the Egyptian government to return access to the Internet and other telecommunications to the people.

"These are human rights and the United States will stand for them everywhere," Obama said.

Obama, who said that his administration had been closely monitoring the situation in Egypt, maintained that the protesters should also act peacefully.

"Violence and destruction will not lead to the reforms they seek," he said.

Obama explained that he spoke with President Mubarak soon after the long-time leader gave his first televised statement in Egypt. Obama said that Mubarak should live up to his promise of social reforms.

"I told him he has a responsibility to give meaning to those words," Obama said, adding that Egyptians need concrete steps to see those reforms happen.

Obama also call for a "meaningful dialogue" between the Egyptian government and its citizens, and vowed to remain a partner of "all quarters" of Egypt in its development.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/obama-called-egypts-government-refrain-violence/
hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 07:06 pm
@Lash,
Who's your stalker Lash? the one who thumbs down everything you post regardless of content.
 

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