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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 01:39 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Yes, you are mistaken. For an excellent account from a Western insider's point of view, i recommend Red China Blues, by Jan Wong. She was a committed Maoist from Montréal who attended the University of Beijing in the early 1970s, returned to Canada, then studied at Columbia University, and finally became the China correspondent for the Globe and Mail (Toronto). She was in a hotel on the Square at the time the army arrived.
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 01:40 pm
From the AP

Quote:
An Obama administration official says the US will review its $1.5bn in aid to Egypt based on events unfolding in the country, where the authoritarian government is struggling to extinguish huge and growing street protests.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the delicacy of the situation. Egypt has been a key US ally in the volatile region. US officials are now increasing calls on President Hosni Mubarak, the target of the protesters, to respond with restraint and reverse steps taken to cut off the protesters' ability to communicate.

The decision to review assistance to Egypt is a significant step as the US seeks to balance the desire to maintain stability in the region with a recognition of the unexpected scope and uncertain outcome of the protests.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 01:41 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Who'da ever thought that Mr Perfidy would show up in this thread.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 01:44 pm
Quite interesting, too:

Quote:
WASHINGTON, Jan. 28, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Following is a comment of Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) on Protests in Egypt and Global Internet Freedom:
"I join President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton in voicing strong support for the fundamental right of freedom of expression and assembly for the Egyptian people, and in urging the Egyptian Government not to block access to internet communications, including online social media. As the situation in Egypt continues to unfold, I urge all parties to refrain from using violence.
"The internet – a product of American innovation – is a vital tool for communicating and sharing information and for ensuring the rights and basic freedoms of people everywhere. A free and open internet is essential to ensuring the universal rights of the people of Egypt, and of all peoples, to freedom of expression, confidence in the rule of law, and government that is transparent and accountable to the citizens.
"The Egyptian Government has long received military supplies and assistance from the United States, which creates another level of concern for Americans as we watch what seem to be the largely peaceful protests in that country. United States laws specifically prescribe the uses of such assistance. I call on the Egyptian authorities to ensure that the rights and well being of civilian protestors are respected and protected. The misuse of force, with or without U.S. supplied ordnance, would threaten the safety of civilians and draw the condemnation of a watching world."
SOURCE Office of U.S. Senator Patrick Leahy
Source
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 01:47 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Way more than a day late and billions of dollars short, I'm afraid.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 01:48 pm

Quote:
Egypt opposition party calls for interim gov't
Published: 01.28.11, 21:25 / Israel News

Egypt needs a period of transitional rule, new parliamentary elections and amendments to the constitution so a president can stand for only two six-year terms, the head of the opposition Wafd party said on Friday.

His comments, made in a televised statement, follow a day of violent protest calling for an end to the rule of President Hosni Mubarak, 82, in power for five consecutive six-year terms. The army has been deployed in Cairo and other cities. (Reuters)
via ynet news
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 01:48 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

From the AP

Quote:
An Obama administration official says the US will review its $1.5bn in aid to Egypt based on events unfolding in the country, where the authoritarian government is struggling to extinguish huge and growing street protests.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the delicacy of the situation. Egypt has been a key US ally in the volatile region. US officials are now increasing calls on President Hosni Mubarak, the target of the protesters, to respond with restraint and reverse steps taken to cut off the protesters' ability to communicate.

The decision to review assistance to Egypt is a significant step as the US seeks to balance the desire to maintain stability in the region with a recognition of the unexpected scope and uncertain outcome of the protests.

This is very reminiscent of what Jimmy Carter
told the Shah of Iran just before he got overthrown.
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 01:59 pm
Heading out... here's the latest from The Guardian blog

Quote:
CNN's Ben Wedeman – who has been doing an excellent job all day – is asked why things have calmed down in Ciaro. "Jim, things have calmed down because there is no government here," saying that police and army had disappeared.

Is something about to happen?

7.49pm GMT:The White House press briefing room is full of journalists awaiting the press conference that is about to be held. It's being said that the US government doesn't want to be pre-empted by a TV appearance by President Mubarak on Egyptian television.

My guess is that if Mubarak hasn't appeared on television by now then he's not going to tonight, except in extreme circumstances.
CloseLink to this update: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/28/egypt-protests-live-updates#block-113#block-117
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 02:15 pm
@JPB,
According to agencies, several Arabic media sources reported tonight that Egyptian authorities are holding talks to establish a "transitional government".
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 02:33 pm
@JPB,
Quote:
But this was the most eye-catching quote from the unidentified minister:

"I'm not sure the time is right for the Arab region to go through the democratic process."


The democratic process in the region would certainly be a threat to Israel what with the prospect for populist and especially fundamentalist movements to be willing to upset the status quo that is in Israel's favor in regard to their conflict with the Palestinians.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 02:34 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Wow, the speed of these developments is overwhelming.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 02:37 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Wow, the speed of these developments is overwhelming.
I bet Mubarak thinks so.





David
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 02:58 pm
@Setanta,
I clearly remember that initially there were reports that the students and the military had peaceful interactions, and I recall thinking that perhaps this uprising had legs if the PLA wasn't prepared to fire on the Chinese people. I also recall reports that the central government was bringing in troops from outside the city because it was concerned that those stationed in and close to Beijing might not follow orders to fire on the protesters. In fact, I believe I also recall reports of clashes between the troops brought into Beijing under the command of a hard-line general and local units.

I did some quick searching and found these photos.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-fg-tiananmen-pictures,0,2772612.photogallery


http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2009-06/47271362.jpg
May 19, 1989

Beijing police parade through Tiananmen Square carrying banners in support of striking university students. The students were in the sixth day of a hunger strike for political reform.

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2009-06/47271422.jpg
May 21, 1989

An unidentified student demonstrator offers food to People’s Liberation Army troops in Feng Tai near Beijing. The troops’ convoy had been stopped by roadblocks as they were enroute to the Chinese capital.



http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2009-06/47271665.jpg
June 2, 1989

A woman soldier sings among pro-democracy protesters occupying Tiananmen Square. Police officers and troops would occasionally mix with protesters in an effort to keep the demonstration peaceful. In the early morning hours of June 4, 1989, soldiers overran the square, leaving hundreds dead.

Either my memory is very faulty or there is more evidence to be found. I'll keep looking.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 03:08 pm
Additionally to the five mentioned above, medical sources in Egypt reported that at least 11 protestors were killed in riots in Suez, bringing the death toll up to 16.
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 03:08 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
There is a pretty thorough and lengthy time line here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 03:28 pm
Related, from WikiLeaks:
US embassy cables: Egypt's bloggers take on key role as political activists
Quote:
KEY POINTS — (C) Egypt's bloggers are playing an increasingly important role in broadening the scope of acceptable political and social discourse, and self-expression.

-- (C) Bloggers' discussions of sensitive issues, such as sexual harassment, sectarian tension and the military, represent a significant change from five years ago, and have influenced society and the media.

-- (C) The role of bloggers as a cohesive activist movement has largely disappeared, due to a more restrictive political climate, GOE counter-measures, and tensions among bloggers.

-- (C) However, individual bloggers have continued to work to expose problems such as police brutality and corporate malfeasance.[... ... ...]
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 03:31 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Update from the BBC (including video report):

Quote:
28 January 2011 Last updated at 20:39 GMT

Egypt protests: Curfew in cities as army deployed

Police used tear gas and water cannons to disperse the crowds, who responded by attacking police vehicles

Egypt has extended its curfew to all cities as anti-government demonstrators in Cairo besiege key buildings, including the foreign ministry and the state broadcaster.

The headquarters of the governing NDP party has been set ablaze.


President Hosni Mubarak, facing the biggest challenge to his authority of his 31 years in power, has ordered the army onto the streets of Cairo.

Earlier, it was announced he would make a statement, but he is yet to appear.

BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner said: "Every minute that goes by without the president making that address to the nation makes him look weaker and will convince people he is losing his grip." .... <cont>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12311007
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 03:33 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
US reported 'routine' police brutality in Egypt, WikiLeaks cables show
Quote:

Police brutality in Egypt is "routine and pervasive" and the use of torture so widespread that the Egyptian government has stopped denying it exists, according to leaked cables released today by WikiLeaks.

The batch of US embassy cables paint a despairing portrait of a police force and security service in Egypt wholly out of control. They suggest torture is routinely used against ordinary criminals, Islamist detainees, opposition activists and bloggers.

"The police use brutal methods mostly against common criminals to extract confessions, but also against demonstrators, certain political prisoners and unfortunate bystanders. One human rights lawyer told us there is evidence of torture in Egypt dating back to the time of the pharoahs. NGO contacts estimate there are literally hundreds of torture incidents every day in Cairo police stations alone," one cable said.

Under Hosni Mubarak's presidency there had been "no serious effort to transform the police from an instrument of regime power into a public service institution", it said. The police's ubiquitous use of force had pervaded Egyptian culture to such an extent that one popular TV soap opera recently featured a police detective hero who beat up suspects to collect evidence.

Some middle-class Egyptians did not report thefts from their apartment blocks because they knew the police would immediately go and torture "all of the doormen", the cable added. It cited one source who said the police would use routinely electric shocks against suspected criminals, and would beat up human rights lawyers who enter police stations to defend their clients. Women detainees allegedly faced sexual abuse. Demoralised officers felt solving crimes justified brutal interrogation methods, with some believing that Islamic law also sanctioned torture, the cable said.

Another cable, from March 2009, said Egypt's bloggers were playing an "increasingly important role" in society and "in broadening the scope of acceptable political and social discourse". There had been a significant change over the past five years, it said, with bloggers able to discuss sensitive issues such as sexual harassment, sectarian tensions, the military and even abortion.

At the same time, a clampdown by the Egyptian government and other repressive measures meant bloggers were no longer a "cohesive activist movement". In 2009, an estimated 160,000 bloggers were active in Egypt, writing in Arabic and sometimes English. Most were 20-35 years old.

Bloggers now appear to be at the vanguard of this week's anti-Mubarak demonstrations, which led to the government switching off internet access. One woman had told the Americans, presciently, that the blogging community was bereft of "compelling and achievable political causes" but would play a crucial role "during the eventual succession".

The WikiLeaks cables also shed intriguing light on the US's staunch relationship with Egypt, its closest Arab ally. They show US diplomats concerned about the country's woeful human rights record and keen to promote an agenda of democratic reform and greater political pluralism. There appears to have been little progress on these goals.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 03:35 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
"The internet – a product of American innovation – is a vital tool for communicating and sharing information and for ensuring the rights and basic freedoms of people everywhere. A free and open internet is essential to ensuring the universal rights of the people of Egypt, and of all peoples, to freedom of expression, confidence in the rule of law, and government that is transparent and accountable to the citizens.


What a weird plug for American ingenuity for Leahy to insert. Where does he stand on wikileaks? Also begs the question 'if Roman's invented the paved road do they get credit for the car?' Sorry, needless sidetrack.

Latest tweets from Ben Wedeman CNN:

#Egypt officials I managed to speak to today were completely confused, incapable of giving reasoned responses to simple questions #Jan25

Internet, cellphone, blackberry still down in #Egypt. #Jan25

Teenager showed me teargas canister "made in USA". Saw the same thing in Tunisia. Time to reconsider US exports?
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 03:36 pm
More updates:

8:09pm: Laura Rozen of Politico reports that the Egyptian military's chief of staff, Lt General Sami Enan, is going home early from DC, having been in meetings at the US defence department.

8:43pm: While Robert Gibbs is saying as little as possible ("this is a fluid situation") in a baroque manner, al-Jazeera reports that "intense gunfire heard near key govt buildings in the Egyptian capital".

Very unusually, Gibbs is taking questions from foreign journalists. That almost never happens at a White House press briefing.

8:47pm: Al-Jazeera's live footage is showing a lot of tanks now on the streets of Cairo – and a lot of civilians milling about them unhindered

9:00pm: Robert Gibbs's White House briefing has wrapped up after an hour.

The most noteworthy points to come out:

• Gibbs pointedly refused to take up an offer to say the administration stood by Mubarak

• Gibbs also repeated that the "people of Egypt" would decide events – suggesting that the White House has cut the Mubarak regime loose, calling their grievances "legitimate"

• The White House confirmed that it was prepared to withhold aid from Egypt's government

But the tone of the administration suggests the White House has been left stranded by the swift pace of events on the ground.

9.19pm GMT: Reuters are reporting that "Egyptian medical sources" estimate there have been 1,030 people wounded today in today's protests.9:29: Al-Jazeera is reporting that the speaker of Egypt's parliament says an "important announcement due soon".

Meanwhile, tanks and APC continue to pour onto the streets of Cairo.
 

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