Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

I'm a pretty tolerant person JTT and Io but even I am getting a bit wearied by your ridiculous and repetitive debate.

I thought President Obama's "Arab spring" speech betrayed a confusion which I don't think it is possible to clarify.

I will not be called a war criminal by a psychotic bitch who allows real war criminals to go without criticism whilst showing nothing but delusional hatred for the USA .

I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to admit to a little paranoia when it comes to OBL. That one photo of him sitting all hunched over with a blanket, looking old and frail, head bobbing as he watched himself on TV --- they could have dubbed his usual spewing to cover up his senile ramblings. He didn't look like someone who was really 'here'...if you know what I mean.

He looked like an Islamic hero, with head covering, wrapped in a blanket, looking like he is reciting the Koran, a humble man. The idiot who approved release of that photo hopefully got a tongue lashing after whoever passes for a Islamic expert in the administration saw it.

Is this also how the Therapeutae's were judged?

If you just were as honest with Ionus as you suggest you are with others, this likely would never have happened, Spendi.

As you have said, the lad is badly unbalanced. You've done him no favors by not addressing him.

Don't tell me that you haven't noticed the complete absence of anything in his posts other than his incoherent ramblings.

So you think if someone I can find on the internet who agrees with me I must be right...that is your failing not mine . I will address your stupidity on its on merits . If you are unhappy, good !

Anyone with your hysterically vehement and constant attacks on an entire country whilst allowing real war criminals to go unmentioned is mentally ill . Did someone from the USA rape you ?

That's progress. You were able to hold down your violent nature for a couple sentences. Then you blew it.

Your idea of progress is to go from blaming the real war criminal to blaming the USA for everything .

Look, we are sorry you were raped by a USA soldier...but he would never do it again . Just get over it.....

Your psychosis should not be encouraged...you should always be told reality .

Gee--that's rich. Blaming me for all this drivel assuming we set aside, as we are supposed to do, the use of "likely". Why did you include that word?

I have applied the stiletto to Io a few times. He is in favour of "teaching" evolution to schoolkids. What his reason for that is I cannot fathom.

Where have I not been honest with Io? That's one slippery sentence you wrote there. Where have I suggested that I am honest with others?

That's pretty convenient for you, it is easy to make unspecific statements which don't have to clarified. Care to elaborate?

President Barack Obama's address on Middle East and North Africa, released by White House

Accusations of throwing Israel under the bus is already making rounds. At least those accusations are specific.

It left me confused. If it didn't you it must be because you think like Mr Obama. It was for home consumption wasn't it?

The expression "the Middle-East and North Africa" was something of a breathtaking generalisation.

BTW--How does a Gadaffi delegation fly to Moscow and back with a no-fly zone in operation?

Not sure how you get that he was generalizing the ME and North Africa other than both are going through major protest right now with the people in those nations rising up against their leaders.

There have been flights out of Libya so I guess it is possible even with a no fly zone. Remember back in April when Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa fled to Britain?

I doubt it was for home consumption with Obama talking about going back to the 1967 borders in Israel.

Spendius

Interestingly enough, there was a Libyan envoy to Moscow on Tuesday.



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With a remote pointed at the TV. Channel surfing his greatest hits.

You are generalising. The protest people are not "the people". And "their leaders" generalises. The real leaders are the base of the pyramid which these faces represent. Those doing well usually. And they must be a fairly large group whether tribal or bureaucratic to have been organising everything so long and the faces would soon be gone without their support.



As we are not going back to the 1967 borders I can't see who else's consumption it was for. I can talk about that.

This was a political speech as are virtually all of Obama's.

Yes, it was intended for domestic consumption but it had another intended audience: Muslims of several different stripes.

What always strikes me with an Obama speech is his deliberate use of the pronouns "I," and "we." With as much attention as is directed to one of these "big speeches," I doubt think anyone believes the use of the pronouns is random.

Clearly, the use of "I" accompanies the description of at least heroic intent, the ownership of which, our presidents wants the world to realize is his alone. I find this jarring as it indicates at least a highly political focus, and, more likely, a narcissistic one.

The speech really doesn't have much substance or specifics. The one area in which there seems to be detailed proposals contradicts a statement Obama made to curry favor with Americans: We need to promote free trade rather than simply provide financial aid. Yet debt forgiveness and such is little more than financial aid, paid for by taxpayers.

Despite his numerous perfunctory qualifiers, Obama is suggesting that the so-called Arab Spring will prove to be the solution to all of our Middle Eastern problems. The notion that it somehow spelled the end of forceful oppression of a nation's people by a dictatorial elite is simply absurd.

The speech also ignores the feckless response of the administration to the Iranian "Green Revolution." If such a response is what other people seeking freedom from dictators can expect from America, they can expect nothing.

As for Israel, despite all of his meaningless platitudes, he has signaled which side of the conflict really moves him.

This level of bombast illustrates that you've been drinking again, Finn.

The mentally ill shouldn't throw criticisms about realities .

I don't agree with finn very much, but talking about the 1967 borders was talking to Arab/Muslims.

It actually has support among some opposition leaders in Israel and some American Jewish committees.

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Also, a peace plan going back to the 1967 borders was also said by GWB.

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[note: I know the source is a liberal blog, however, all the statements have links backing them up. Otherwise, it wouldn't be worth leaving a link for IMO)


The leaders of those countries were doing well mostly with western help. They grabbed all the money and power and left their people in the dust. The people rose up against it.

You see it differently, that is your right.