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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
roger
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 04:35 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

Quote:
Have you a piano tied to your brain?
No.


I cannot believe you answered that.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 04:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
We shouldn't make the mistake of casting Indians as noble savages who only wanted to live in peace with one another and the Land, and who were brutalized and cheated by those nasty White Eyes.

While many Indians were, indeed, brutalized and cheated by nasty White Eyes, not all were, and many of the Indians themselves were quite brutal with Americans, Mexicans and members of their own race and tribes.

It's always a matter of perspective isn't it?

The history of Indian and White relations is far more complex than Evil vs Good (irrespective of who plays which role).

A situation that seems to have been repeated on more than one occassion was that militant Indians came to the conclusion that

a) They could defeat the invaders
or
b) They would rather fight to the death than be pushed off of their land and die in destitute conditions

I appreciate the latter, but don't minimize the former. In the early stages of the European's entry into and spread across North America, the native people most often had the advantage...in numbers if not fighting ability. The prospect of (comparatively) rapid change was not something the Indians could get their heads around. This is somewhat ironic since few cultures have been do dramatically and quickly (from a relative sense) been transformed by a single event then the tribes of the Great Plains. The event: The introduction of the horse.

In any case, it's certainly understandable that many Indians' believed that their early successes, in terms of slaughtering and driving off Europeans, would have a longer shelf life than it did.

On more than one occassion, the Indians who were able to perceive the rapid and powerful change that was upon them not only realized that they could not defeat the White Eyes, they made the bold bet of siding with them against their militant brethern.

Unfortunately for them, more often than not, after the "renegades" were put down, the "peaceful" Injun allies were made to suffer the same consequences.

These, perhaps, wiser and certainly more pragmatic Indians took a big chance and lost, but we tend to see them as victims (which to a certain degree they were). Imagine how they would be perceived by their fellow Indians, if the militant approach had worked and the White Eyes were driven back into the sea?

There have been massive human migrations throughout our history. That's how the Indians came to be "native" Americans. If there had been some early indigenous people that the migrating Asians had obliterated or consumed would we still consider them victims of a new migration of conquerors or simply part of a cycle?
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 05:06 pm
@roger,
Ahhh...rogue.....JoinTalibanTerrorism understands very very little.....one mustn't make assumptions about her understanding or seriousness/willingness to learn .
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 05:20 pm
@Ionus,
I can't believe that you feel a need to make excuses for your pea brained actions.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 05:26 pm
@JTT,
I cant believe you think there are war crimes being committed and yet you do nothing but whinge on the internet . You even know I have committed war crimes . Why havent you pressed charges ? Perhaps it is all in your mind ....your little drugged mind that was destroyed in the 1960's .
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 05:32 pm
@Ionus,
I can't believe that you've copied and pasted that posting for the 156th time. Aren't writers, [and you'd think that it would apply to Big W writers], supposed to have at least some tiny measure of originality?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 05:36 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn never heard of the Civil War where whites killed whites, and many European countries that did the same. Remember WWII?

If you have learned any American history, you would have learned about the "white" wars of the US that included the Brits and French.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 05:37 pm
@JTT,
You can see your obsessive/compulsive disorder very clearly in that post . Not that it is original...wouldnt it be best to be original before criticising some else for not being original ? Tell us for the millionth time how all war crimes since the dawn of time are by the USA .....that is always an original read .
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 05:46 pm
@Ionus,
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Tell us for the millionth time how all war crimes since the dawn of time are by the USA ..


Lies obviously mean nothing to you. But then why should they when butchering innocent men, women and children means nothing to you.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 05:48 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus I was hoping that you may comment on this if you live there or not!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6V82LD51UA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flVs1AjJwRM&NR=1



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t_Jhl0nz0I&feature=related
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 05:52 pm
@reasoning logic,
If you want to understand the Australian Aborigine, you have to go out in the bush . These city fellas are more white than black and they have learnt politics .

It was hoped "Saying Sorry" would open the way for some of that white man's money...suing the government, or perhaps a new commission to investigate something...Global Warmings Impact on Witchity Grubs and the Resulting Impact on Traditional Aborigine Ways.......that sort of thing..... that assumes a cause and a result and looks for ways to spend money on the noisy Aboriginees in the cities . Of course there will be a need for air conditioned travel to remote areas, hard living allowance whilst they stay in luxury tourist hotels and converse with a naturalist they had flown in from the city they left....

Meanwhile, the true native, a very admirable, gentle and resilient person, gets nothing but poor health and an early death if he doesnt get run over even more prematurely by the tourist bus carting around another investigative/action committee .
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 05:56 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Lies obviously mean nothing to you.
So which country has committed the most war crimes and by which measure ?

Quote:
why should they when butchering innocent men, women and children means nothing to you.
You mean feasting on details like when you went on about breasts being cut off, and women raped, and all the horror that just gets you so hot....I just dont get sexual pleasure from war crimes and I put it in perspective as opposed to being a devout Muslim whinging about the USA like you do .
roger
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 06:02 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

a) They could defeat the invaders
or
b) They would rather fight to the death than be pushed off of their land and die in destitute conditions


There is also a condition c). Navajo and Apache in the Southwest saw Spaniards (Mexicans, if you wish) with sheep, cattle, and horses. They wanted some, and they got them. Needless to say, the original owners of the livestock tended to be fairly possessive, and that tendency led to a certain amount of conflict.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 06:13 pm
@Ionus,
Thanks for the reply! You seem to see things as I see them! Maybe I am mistaken but it seems that there are others that do have a valid point but like always I could be wrong!

Studying anthropology seems to be one of my weak points!
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 07:35 pm
@roger,
Quote:
I cannot believe you answered that.


The lad's elevator doesn't go anywhere near the top floor, hasn't for many a year, probably never did function.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 07:40 pm
@Ionus,
You can't even face up to your lies.

You just go off on your racist, bigoted, misogynistic rants. You put me as a woman, so you can really get your rage built up, why did your wife leave you again??

Or as an person of Arab descent so you can, again, really work up your vile feelings against them.

Quote:
You mean feasting on details ...


That's what seems to turn your crank. Your're the boy who always brings it up. Reliving old times?
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 04:07 am
@JTT,
Quote:
The lad's elevator doesn't go anywhere near the top floor
You mean where the view is so good you can see all those war crimes and do nothing about them like you ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 04:12 am
@JTT,
Quote:
You just go off on your racist, bigoted
You mean like you accusing every man woman and child (including babies) who live in the USA of war crimes ?

Quote:
You put me as a woman
That assessment was based on your obsession with rape and cutting breasts of of women whilst their breast fed babies watched ......if you are a man you are even sicker than I thought .

Quote:
Or as an person of Arab descent
Only Arabs support Arabs to the extent of a lack of human compassion and reason . Only Arabs have your vilification for Jews...oh, and Nazis...are you a Nazi ?

Quote:
You mean feasting on details ...
Tell us yet again how many were killed....go into the detail of how hundreds of thousands had their breasts cut off......you are one sick compulsive/obsessive.....seek help .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 04:15 am
@roger,
It is also worth remembering the Plains Indian had only had their way of life since the horse was introduced by the white man . So their way that they were fighting for was only several generations old . About the same as some of the settlers they were fighting .
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revelette
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 06:05 am

Libya: Moussa Koussa, Gaddafi's foreign minister, defects to UK


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Moussa Koussa says he is no longer willing to represent the regime in a morale boost for the rebels

Muammar Gaddafi's authority inside Libya suffered a significant blow when his foreign minister quit and fled to the UK in a specially arranged flight organised by the British intelligence services.

Moussa Koussa, who was one of the Libyan leader's closest allies, arrived on a chartered plane from Tunisia and said he was "no longer willing" to represent the dictator's regime.

"We can confirm that Moussa Koussa arrived at Farnborough airport on 30 March from Tunisia," a Foreign Office spokesman said.

Koussa's defection provides Britain with a figure of unparalleled intelligence value in terms of understanding the situation within Gaddafi's inner circle. The move also provides a morale boost to the disorganised rebel forces who have again suffered major reverses at the hands of pro-Gaddafi forces in the past 48 hours.



Foreign secretary says Libyan foreign minister travelled to UK 'under his own free will' and is voluntarily talking to British officials
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Moussa Koussa, the Libyan foreign minister who defected to the UK on Wednesday, will not be offered immunity from British or international justice, William Hague has said.

The foreign secretary has seized on the defection to urge others to abandon Muammar Gaddafi's "crumbling" regime in favour of a "better future" for Libya.

He also renewed his call to Gaddafi to step down, saying the loss of one of his closest allies, along with other defections to the opposition, showed the Libyan leader's regime was "fragmented, under pressure and crumbling from within".

"Gaddafi must be asking himself who will be the next to abandon him," Hague said. "We reiterate our call to Gaddafi to go."

Hague gave further details about Koussa at the launch of the Foreign Office report on human rights in London, saying he had travelled to Britain "under his own free will" and was not being offered immunity.
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