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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 09:59 am
@JTT,
This is a crock. They dident have establish possies to exterminate the Indians, they just killed off all the buffalo and let them starve to death.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 10:08 am
@RABEL222,
This from Wiki.
Quote:
After the colonies revolted against Great Britain and established the United States of America, President George Washington and Henry Knox conceived of the idea of "civilizing" Native Americans in preparation for United States citizenship.[6][7][8][9][10] Assimilation (whether voluntary as with the Choctaw,[11][12] or forced) became a consistent policy through American administrations. During the 19th century, the ideology of Manifest destiny became integral to the American nationalist movement. Expansion of European-American populations after the American Revolution resulted in increasing pressure on Native American lands, warfare between the groups, and rising tensions. In 1830, the U.S. Congress passed the Indian Removal Act, authorizing the government to relocate most Native Americans of the Deep South east of the Mississippi River from their homelands to accommodate European-American expansion from the United States. Government officials thought that by decreasing the conflict between the groups, they could also help the Indians survive. Remnant groups have descendants living throughout the South. They have organized and been recognized as tribes since the late 20th century by several states and, in some cases, by the federal government.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 11:07 am
@JTT,
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Quite likely a Christian sheriff and a Christian posse, Spendi.


No chance. Pretend Christians possibly.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 11:09 am
@RABEL222,
It was a newspaper headline. I forget which town.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 11:46 am
@spendius,
And spendi knows who all the pretend christians are! ROF
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 12:30 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
No chance. Pretend Christians possibly.


Then I would say that there are a very, very scarce number of Christians around the world, Spendi. The Pope isn't even one. Instead of taking a clear and unequivocal stance on serious crimes/issues of morality that have gone on in the RC church for centuries he makes excuses.

That certainly ain't christian.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 12:38 pm
@JTT,
spendi is confused - as usual. He uses myopia to see what he wants to see, and ignores the rest. His declaration of "pretend christians" is a good example of why his posts are meaningless. He would never be able to support his claims. As a matter of fact, from my perspective of religious people in this world, I would contend that the majority are "pretend" believers.

When the leader of any religious organization is held in high esteem as the pope, it means that the followers are also confused as to what constitutes morality. And yet, most forward the argument that religion is necessary for morality. There is either hypocrisy or voluntary blindness; probably both.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 01:38 pm
@JTT,
But JTT, the Church is historically a secular as well as a religious institution. Secular missions are necessary to promote the saving of the greater number of souls: real Christianity have died on the Cross. And historically the Church ran affairs as well. To prevent continuous warfare.

A constant tension exists as there does now with respect to "saving civilians". (When we can--gee!! I nearly forgot that). The Church might have died out otherwise and heaven remain underpopulated as seems to be happening as secularism sweeps onwards with its lure of permissiveness.

It was the abrogation of permissiveness that got us here (late 50s I mean). Who knows whether embracing permissiveness with enthusiasm will take us where we don't wish to go. Nobody on here is even prepared to read about such matters.

It is not only a grave error but an infantile one to pass the responsibility of the actions of the secular pragmatists in the Church onto the carriers of the Christian message because the latter tend to be a bit "out of it" or spaced and not much good with practical things such as one Jesuit studying nothing in a glass tube which started something really big.

Nobody on here ever dreams of wondering what sort of mental gymnastics are required to trash the Church's teachings on sexual matters on the grounds that the pragmatists did some evil things. The teachings on sexual matters stand alone. Suppose the pragmatists had never done any evil things--would the Church's enemies then accept the sexual behaviour teachings. It's like never having boiled eggs for breakfast because you had read that Hitler did do. It's baby stuff. The evil deeds of the pragmatists are just being used as an excuse to behave immorally from a Christian point of view. And as a justification. Ridiculous!! A structural defect it seems to me.

If there is no other method of saving mankind than the Christian one, as many say, then it is important to build an organisation powerful enough to promote it even if that does require some strenuous methods at times.

I only see Huxley's answer as an alternative and that was no answer really because its scientific methods were repulsive. Artificial biological stratification of intelligence spells doom to me. It lacks "bio-diversity".

In organisations which eschew nepotism the top is fed from the bottom on ability. The top can never feed itself as our middle classes are trying to do with their grip on education. It just eats itself up, along with everything else.

The confetti certificate system is in the direction of Huxley's vision. For blue-collar" read gamma. I won't dwell on the beta minuses, the betas and the beta plusses because whenever I do so my audience flees shouting insults and slamming doors.

Epsilons are the most important members of society because they shift the **** and if **** isn't shifted it just piles up higher and higher.

I think our leaders are loving this little fracas in Libya. Just loving it.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 01:40 pm
@spendius,
The Church is secular? What drugs are you taking?
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 01:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You seem confused to me ci. Re-read your post as an educational exercise until you can see what's wrong with it. If it takes you ten years so much the better.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 03:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
In 1830, the U.S. Congress passed the Indian Removal Act, authorizing the government to relocate most Native Americans of the Deep South east of the Mississippi River from their homelands to accommodate European-American expansion from the United States. Government officials thought that by decreasing the conflict between the groups, they could also help the Indians survive. Remnant groups have descendants living throughout the South. They have organized and been recognized as tribes since the late 20th century by several states and, in some cases, by the federal government.


Americans are no strangers to 'ethnic cleansing' as they did it then with the Native Indians
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 03:49 pm
@talk72000,
An old friend of mine some years ago who is part Cherokee loaned me a book about how the US government treated them, and forced their removal from the east coast to Oklahoma. It was many years ago, but I remember how they were slaughtered by our government. Even in the 20th century, our government removed Japanese Americans (the majority were American citizens) to concentration camps, because we looked like the enemy.

After WWII, our government used US military personnel to find out the effects of radiation, and put them close to ground zero at nuclear test sites.

I don't trust our government; never have, never will.
talk72000
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 03:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I think the US government also used soldiers as guinea pigs in the radiation tests. Many of the soldiers were not informed of the radiation tests near the desert. Did you know that nearly all the actors and personnel in The Conqueror about Temujin or Genghis Khan that John Wayne played died from cancer as the movie was filmed in the desert near the radiation tests?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 03:58 pm
@talk72000,
No; didn't know that, but I'm not surprised.

Here's another current issue with our government: we are allowed to travel to Russia and China, two communist countries, but are not allowed to travel to Cuba. The reasons? Ike initiated a total embargo in 1963, and succeeding presidents didn't do anything to lift the ban. How stupid is that?

talk72000
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 04:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I think Lee Van Cleef was the only survivng member. Susan Hayward also died from the radiation. Now of course they are all dead.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 04:26 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Have you a piano tied to your brain?
No.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 04:26 pm
@talk72000,
Is that the limit of your knowledge of history ? Anti-religious propaganda ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 04:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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When christians stones a cattle to death, what was the message supposed to be? I'm afraid I don't get it.
When atheists send millions of Jews to the gas chambers, how are they supposed to be an example ? I just dont get it .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 04:28 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Someone stole their gun?
Why do all your attempts at humuor sound really stupid ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 04:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
All in the name of "freedom of religion."
Which includes atheism .
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