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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
talk72000
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2011 09:25 pm
@dyslexia,
It is France, Britain and Americans are using.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2011 09:29 pm
@talk72000,
based solely on your posts on this thread I conclude you are every bit as stupid as c. imposter.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2011 10:48 pm
@dyslexia,
talk, Just consider the source; he's a total loser. I know; I used to consider him a friend, and he stabbed me in the back.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 03:16 am
@JTT,
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You should more concern yourself with the decisions made by that war criminal, George W Bush, and the affects those decisions had on the poor people of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Not a word about Qaddafi and his war crimes . Are you even vaguely familiar with the concept of credibility ?

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the US is responsible for the deaths of upwards of six million people
Germany and Japan are responsible for the deaths of 50 million . Whats your point, JoinTalibanTerrorism ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 03:17 am
@dyslexia,
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based solely on your posts on this thread I conclude you are every bit as stupid as c. imposter.
Whoaa, Dys...thats some very extreme language there .... Shocked
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 03:31 am
@Ionus,
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Whoaa, Dys...thats some very extreme language there ..
We certainly seem to have our share of grouchy old coots around here....
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 03:37 am
@hawkeye10,
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We certainly seem to have our share of grouchy old coots around here....
Watch it pally...I resemble that remark . Smile How 0ld do you have to be to be old ?
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 05:04 am
http://primary.washingtonpost.com/world/us-allies-prepare-military-action-against-libya-as-gaddafi-forces-continue-attacks/2011/03/18/ABLAOfs.html?wpisrc=nl_natlalert

Gaddafi’s forces enter Benghazi as U.S., allies prepare military action against Libya

TRIPOLI, LIBYA — Forces loyal to Moammar Gaddafi entered the eastern rebel stronghold of Benghazi Saturday after air strikes and fierce fighting, a fresh act of defiance even as the United States and its allies prepared to launch military attacks on Libya.

A warplane was shot down over Benghazi. Government troops — some reportedly in tanks -- entered Benghazi from the west, in the university area. The city of 1 million quickly became a ghost town, with residents fleeing or seeking cover in barricaded neighborhoods. A Washington Post reporter saw the aircraft go down in flames. It was not known who shot it down.

On Friday, President Obama warned that the Libyan leader faced imminent military action unless his troops were withdrawn from all disputed cities in the country. But the besieged town of Misurata, 130 miles east of Tripoli, was still coming under heavy artillery fire, residents said, and there were also reports of continued fighting around Ajdabiya, even farther to the east. The assaults on rebel-held towns took place despite government promises of a cease-fire.

The conditions set by Obama were more specific than those contained in a resolution approved a day earlier by the U.N. Security Council, suggesting that the United States and its allies are in no mood to countenance delays by a Libyan regime whose forces have recaptured large swaths of territory from rebels in recent days.

U.S. ships in the Mediterranean were preparing to bombard Libya’s air defenses and runways to clear the way for European and Arab forces to establish a no-fly zone throughout the country, according to U.S. and European officials. Fighter aircraft from France, Britain and the United Arab Emirates converged on bases in and around Italy to begin operations over Libya under the command and control of the United States at its naval base in Naples.

The military preparations came on a day of bloodshed across the Arab world, as governments appear increasingly willing to use arms to suppress the dissent that has mushroomed since the success of popular uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt earlier in the year. In Yemen, 47 people died when security forces opened fire on protesters in the capital, Sanaa, and at least five people were reportedly killed during a government crackdown on unrest in Syria, a strategically vital country that has been ruled with an iron fist by the Assad family for the past four decades.

In an address at the White House, Obama spelled out conditions that Gaddafi would have to fulfill if his country is to avoid military intervention under the provisions of a U.N. Security Council resolution adopted Thursday that authorizes the use of force to stop the violence.

“These terms are not negotiable,” Obama said. “If Gaddafi does not comply with the resolution, the international community will impose consequences and the resolution will be enforced through military action.”

Obama said that in addition to halting their advance on Ben ghazi, the last remaining rebel stronghold in the east of the country, Libyan troops would have to pull back from the towns of Ajdabiya, Misurata and Zawiyah. He also demanded that Libya establish water, electricity and gas supplies to all areas.

A doctor at the hospital in Misurata said 16 civilians and 25 rebels had been killed in a government assault Friday, at least a dozen of them after the cease-fire supposedly went into effect. In Benghazi, a rebel spokesman said two people had been killed in Ajdabiya in attacks after the cease-fire was announced.

“Until this moment, they have not stopped attacking us. There will be no negotiations,” Khaled al-Sayeh told reporters Friday night. “The attacks are still happening at this moment.”

He said attacks were also taking place in the towns of Zintan and Zuwaytinah well after the cease-fire was announced.

In the area around Zuwaytinah, more than 90 miles south of Benghazi, jets streaked across the sky firing at targets, at least one helicopter flew low across the desert, and artillery bombardment could be heard for several hours Friday afternoon.

A tentative deadline for Gaddafi’s full compliance was set at midday Saturday after a meeting in Paris of U.S., European and Arab governments. U.S. and European officials said the British, French and UAE jets, initially flying from a French base on the island of Corsica, could move earlier if Gaddafi continued offensive operations overnight.

It appeared clear that the Libyan government had been caught off-guard by the speed with which the Security Council moved to authorize the use of force, after weeks of indecision during which pro-Gaddafi forces made significant advances.

Libya’s deputy foreign minister, Khaled Kaim, denied that there had been any violations of the cease-fire since it was announced in the early afternoon. He called on observers from four countries — Malta, China, Germany and Turkey — to send a fact-finding team to Libya to verify that the cease-fire is being observed.

U.S. officials expressed skepticism.

“We are not going to be responsive and impressed by words,” Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told reporters in Washington. “We would have to see action on the ground, and that is not yet at all clear.”

She added that “the final result of any negotiations would have to be the decision by Colonel Gaddafi to leave. But let’s take this one step at a time.”

British Prime Minister David Cameron also said he was unconvinced by the cease-fire announcement, telling members of Parliament that Britain was already preparing to deploy fighter jets and other air support to the region.

“Our forces will join an international operation to enforce the resolution if Gaddafi fails to comply with its demand that he ends attacks on civilians,” he said.

A U.S. official with access to classified intelligence on Libya said the CIA and other American spy agencies monitoring Libya had seen evidence of continued fighting, from satellites and from sources inside the country.

“There are reports out of certain areas that fighting continues,” said the official, citing Misurata. The cease-fire “should be considered tenuous at best right now,” the U.S. official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence information.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 09:35 am
@djjd62,
If the U.N. members do what they usually do and talk for a year after they claim they are going to do something the upriseing will have been over for a year. All they do is talk and collect their pay. The only more useless organization I can think of is the U.S. congress!
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 09:50 am
@RABEL222,
It appears the first plane the french shot down was a rebal plane sent to keep Gaffadis troops out of the city.
revelette
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 10:13 am
@RABEL222,
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It appears the first plane the french shot down was a rebal plane sent to keep Gaffadis troops out of the city.


I have read several sources to try and confirm your above statement, but I am not sure where you get that the french shot it down. It only said that the french were conducting reconnaissance flights (which I think means they are scouting so to speak)but I haven't seen where they fired their weapons yet.

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Reports from Libya say pro-government forces have entered the western outskirts of the opposition stronghold of Benghazi, with the city also coming under attack from the coast and the south.

French fighter jets, meanwhile, were conducting reconnaissance overflights of "all Libyan territory" on Saturday, French military sources said.

Witnesses in Bengazi, in the east of the country, said they heard large explosions on Saturday. Al Jazeera's correspondents reporting from the city reported multiple explosions, plumes of smoke in the sky and a fighter jet belonging to the opposition getting shot down.

Government troops reportedly bombed the southern Benghazi suburb of Goreshi among other places. Artillery and mortars were also fired in the centre of the city.

Mustafa Abdel Jalil, head of the opposition National Libyan Council, told Al Jazeera "there is a bombardment by artillery and rockets on all districts of Benghazi".

Urging swift action in Libya, he said: "We appeal to the international community, to all the free world, to stop this tyranny from exterminating civilians."

Al Jazeera's Tony Birtley, reporting from Benghazi, said: There's a lot of jittery people here at the moment, there is a lot of activity and a lot of firing going on."

French Rafale fighter jets, meanwhile, were reported to be conducting flights over Libyan airspace on reconnaissance missions as fighting was continuing in Benghazi and other areas.

Government denials

The Libyan government firmly denied it attacked the city. "There are no attacks whatesover on Benghazi. As we said, we are observing the ceasefire," Musa Ibrahim, a government spokesman, told the Reuters news agency.


source

I think Juan Cole is right, the Libyan government is going to destroy the rebel opposition as fast as they can before the no fly zone stuff really gets going good. In the end though, it won't matter (except for the loss of life which is tragic) the Qaddafi regime is finished because he can't fight the rest of the world and no one is coming to his aide. Russia and china are just abstaining.

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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 11:31 am
@dyslexia,
Adhominim attacks means you can't carry the argument.
talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 11:32 am
Sarkozy is on his last legs and he is beyond caring. He wants to go out in glory. He isn't going to be re-elected.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 11:37 am
@talk72000,
Also, georgeob's silence is deafening.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 11:40 am
@RABEL222,
The first shot by the French was destroying a "military vehicle" at 16:45 GMT (17:45 MEZ).
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 11:45 am
@talk72000,
talk72000 wrote:

Adhominim attacks means you can't carry the argument.
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in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 11:47 am
@dyslexia,
Look in the mirror.
talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 11:47 am
@dyslexia,
Your character shows in your conduct with others.
talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 11:49 am
@cicerone imposter,
This war will drag on as this becomes an Arab vs French war.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 11:52 am
@talk72000,
talk72000 wrote:

Your character shows in your conduct with others.
most likely true. I don't tend to offer kindness to blathering idiots.
 

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