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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 10:52 am
@Setanta,
But that's the main fear ... in Israel.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 11:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
There's no doubt about that. I think it most likely that the military, if they dump Mubarak, will simply replace him with another military man. I think they might go so far as to accept an amendment prohibiting anyone from serving more than two terms as President, but i don't for a moment see them rolling over to a fundamentalist regime.
IRFRANK
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 11:03 am
Quote:
At a speech in Reno on Saturday, Sarah Palin said she thinks a recently discussed media boycott of her is good--because then she won't get "blamed" for the uprising in Egypt.



I just knew that if I waited, I would get some relevant, insightful knowledge from Sarah about this Egypt thing.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 11:09 am
@IRFRANK,
IRFRANK

You need to seek help over this obsession you have with Sarah Palin.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 11:09 am
@IRFRANK,
What is frightful is the simple fact that 28% of Americans believe she's presidential material.
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revelette
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 11:38 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Transcript of FAREED ZAKARIA GPS via CNN

ZAKARIA: Mohamed, one of the visions that haunts Americans is of the Iranian revolution, where a dictator, pro-American dictator, was replaced by an even worse regime that was even more anti-American and more threatening to the region. People worry about the Muslim Brotherhood. Are you confident that a post-Mubarak Egypt will not give rise to some kind of Islamic fundamentalist force that will undermine the democracy of Egypt?

ELBARADEI: I’m quite confident of that, Fareed. This is a myth that was sold by the Mubarak regime, that it’s either us, the ruthless dictators, or above (ph) them the al Qaida types.

You know, the Muslim Brotherhood has nothing to do with the Iranian model, has nothing to do with extremism, as we have seen it in Afghanistan and other places. The Muslim Brotherhood is a religiously conservative group. They are a minority in Egypt. They are not a majority of the Egyptian people, but they have a lot of credibility because all the other liberal parties have been smothered for 30 years.

They are in favor of a federalist (ph) state. They are in favor of a wording on the base of constitution that has red lines (ph) that every Egyptian has the same rights, same obligation, that the state in no way will be a state based on religion. And I have been reaching out to them. We need to include them. They are part of the Egyptian society, as much as the Marxist party here. I think this myth that has been perpetuated and sold by the regime has no – has no iota of reality.

As you know, Fareed, I’ve worked with Iranians, I’ve worked here. There is 100 percent difference between the two societies.

ZAKARIA: If there were a democratic government with Muslim Brotherhood participation, do you believe that Egypt would still be at peace with Israel?

ELBARADEI: Of course. I mean, I – again, the whole issue of peace in the Middle East is an issue which everybody – nobody wants to go to war, Fareed.


source

(the full interview can be found at the above link)

I am not sure if the brotherhood backs Elbardie or not. I read two different accounts.

Quote:
The umbrella organization, called the National Association for Change, on Sunday formed a steering committee, with Mr. ElBaradei at the helm, to strategize further movements and pressure Mr. Mubarak and his military leaders for more political concessions, according to senior Brotherhood leaders.

That reflects the organization's strategy that their religious goals need to be put on the back burner to achieve democracy, said Helmi Gazzar, the head of the Brotherhood's district party office in northern Cairo.

"What we want is what the people want; right now we should have a completely different regime. We should have freedom and free elections," he said. "We respect Mr. Baradei. He has the most potential" to achieve this.


source

Quote:
The question now is how the Brotherhood will deal with other opposition groups as the protest movement tries to coalesce and push through its demands that President Hosni Mubarak step down and his ruling party end its monopoly of power in Egypt. Particularly unclear is how it will relate with prominent reform advocate Mohamed ElBaradei, who some secular protesters are presenting as leader of the movement.

A leading Brotherhood figure, Saad el-Katatni, said Sunday that the group was talking to other opposition to form a committee to direct the protest movement. ElBaradei would be a member of the committee, but not necessarily its leader unless the members elect him, el-Katatni said.


source

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MJA
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 11:45 am
What if this anti government movement were to spread to all the countries of the world.
Could we finally be "Free at last"?

=
MJA
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 12:39 pm
@MJA,
Freedom is a matter of degree. For example, in Singapore, it's against the law to throw trash or not flush toilets in public restrooms, and can be fined big bucks. According to my friends in Singapore, they've become accustomed to those rules and regulations, and doesn't feel that their freedoms are hinged upon.
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 12:47 pm
@MJA,
Like Somalia? In the south, they haven't had a government in years.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 12:48 pm
@roger,
not to leave out Italy.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 12:55 pm
@dyslexia,
Don't be silly. I've totally lost count of the number of governments they've had since the second world war.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 01:02 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
It's hardly an obsession to want to keep fellow citizens apprised of a danger that is always a concern for the USA; that the Repubs will bring to power yet another dolt.

Given that in the last 30 years you've had three, this concern definitely does not qualify as obsessive.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 01:04 pm
@roger,
Quote:
I've totally lost count of the number of governments they've had since the second world war.


That's the same for the US, Australia, England, ... .
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 01:07 pm
While Egypt's opposition calls for 1 million on streets, the Egytian army says that they won't use violence against citizens.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 01:48 pm
Egypt's population was 35,480,400 in 1973 now in 2011 it is 85,688,400. A difference of 50,208,000 people. Hosni Mubarak should have been more aggressive regarding population growth. With this kind of population growth there bound to be a lot of poverty. Modern medicine kept many people from dying.

http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=205
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 02:00 pm
@talk72000,
talk, Didn't know about Egypt's population growth; it reveals the primary reason for its problems. There is no country that can grow that fast - from immigration - and not suffer its effects of over-population. Jobs, food, water, and housing can't keep up with that kind of growth even in the best developed countries.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 02:06 pm
Adm Mike Mullin accuses WikiLeaks of having blood on their hands. That's Mike Mullin, of the US Joint Chief of Staff.

Two illegal invasions, somewhere approaching a million dead, half a million Iraqi kids dead just due to an illegal and immoral embargo of Iraq.

Does anyone see the irony here?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 02:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

talk, Didn't know about Egypt's population growth; it reveals the primary reason for its problems. There is no country that can grow that fast - from immigration - and not suffer its effects of over-population. Jobs, food, water, and housing can't keep up with that kind of growth even in the best developed countries.
yeah really, anyone in their right mind would have built a wall around Egypt. Rolling Eyes
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 02:51 pm
Some suggested reading on the issues at hand

The Two Likeliest Political Outcomes for Mubarak

And these two opposing opinions of the Muslim Brotherhood

Don't Fear Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood

Fear The Muslim Brotherhood
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2011 02:59 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Mubarak soon sleeps with the Shah and Marcos (and Ky, in a different way) eh?
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