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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 04:21 pm
@Ceili,
Quote:
The power of the people is much stronger than the people in power.


Power grows out of the barrel of a gun Mao said. And proved it.

It's early days for Mr Ghonim to be drawing any hard and fast conclusions.
Ceili
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 05:21 pm
@spendius,
Kinda like your position on women sleeping their way to Phd's, eh!
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 05:54 pm
@Ceili,
I never said anything about sleeping Ceili. I said it was a bit early for Mr Ghonim to be drawing any conclusions. I see him goading people into positions they might not be able to deal with without him risking a hair on his head.

It's on a whole other level than female graduates adding to their CVs.
Ceili
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 05:56 pm
@spendius,
I was being polite. You apparently didn't think it was that different the other day. I'm still waiting on your proof.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 06:03 pm
@Ceili,
Spendius at times does have something ethical to say about women! I would like to see this post myself because I do think that it is rare and I would like to add any positive statements that Spendius has said to my frame of reference!
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 06:16 pm
@Ceili,
Proof of what Ceili. Proof that female graduates can use their charms to enhance their intellectual claims?

I should think that female tutors would make that more difficult. Did Bertrand Russell or Freddie Ayer ever fail a female student? I'm not criticising by the way. I fully understand.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 06:24 pm
@spendius,
Damn Spendius I was hoping that it was true, "Are you telling me that it was not true, "that you had something to say about women that was ethical?
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 06:26 pm
@reasoning logic,
Women are ethics rl. Grow up.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 06:27 pm
@spendius,
What????????
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 07:48 pm
@revelette,
Rev,
That comment was in regard to why the ICC is going after him. Surely, he's still a threat to his country until he's been deposed.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 07:50 pm
@djjd62,
ha. That's SAWYER'S law...
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revelette
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2011 09:15 am
Ras Lanuf Falls to Rebels

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1456: Separately, Yemen's Deputy Minister for Youth and Sports, Hashid Abdullah al-Ahmar, has resigned from the ruling General People's Congress party in protest at the use of violence against anti-government protesters. On Friday, an ally of the president, tribal sheikh Ali Ahmad al-Umrani, also resigned.

1449:The Associated Press says the contrasting fortunes of the pro- and anti-government forces suggest the conflict in Libya could last for weeks and maybe months, with neither side mustering enough military power to decisively defeat the other. The government is fighting fiercely to maintain its hold in Tripoli and surrounding areas and the rebels are pushing their front westward from their eastern stronghold, it adds.

1439: And an eyewitness in Zawiya has also just told Reuters by phone that Gaddafi tanks are shelling the centre: "The attack has started. I see more than 20 tanks." A second resident said Gaddafi's forces were using "tanks and mortars".

1435: Confirmation of new attack on Zawiya: Al-Jazeera says 35 tanks are approaching from the east.


Gaddafi fights back in key city

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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2011 11:10 am
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:

Today's TED talk by Wael Ghonim is the Google executive who helped jumpstart Egypt's democratic revolution ... with a Facebook page memorializing a victim of the regime's violence. Speaking at TEDxCairo, he tells the inside story of the past two months, when everyday Egyptians showed that "the power of the people is stronger than the people in power."

http://www.ted.com/talks/wael_ghonim_inside_the_egyptian_revolution.html

"The power of the people is much stronger than the people in power."


It is a nice phrase, and it was certainly true in Egypt. It remains to be seen if it is also true in Lybia, but the indicators there appear to be be favorable.

However, I don't think it is true as a general proposition, as the Former Soviet Union demonstrated for decades and as China, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Saudi Arabia, Syria and others amply demonstrate today.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2011 11:17 am
@georgeob1,
I believe the huge differences are many between, say, Egypt, and the other countries you mention. The one important one being the level of education of the populace, and two, the lack of computers and/or readily available communication including telephone, t.v., transportation, and the internet.
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Irishk
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2011 11:35 am
@georgeob1,
The people aren't in power in Egypt. The military is. Not everyone in Egypt is happy about that as reported in the New York Times yesterday. Some excerpts:

Quote:
“The military chose to rule in the Mubarak style,” said one senior Egyptian political figure, speaking anonymously so as not to harm his own interaction with the generals. “They are micro-managing. We say it is time for new parties, and they say we cannot have them because there is no committee to approve them.”…

Soldiers beat protesters and burned down the suddenly reconstituted tent camp in Tahrir Square last Friday, the backlash prompting the Supreme Council to issue an apology (Message No. 24). Soldiers were photographed destroying some walls in the vicinity of a Coptic monastery, again prompting a sheepish explanation about illegal structures (Message No. 13). Finally it has come under harsh criticism for using the military courts to try protesters — with some sentenced after 10 minutes, human rights groups said…

“What they are finding out is that this period of transition requires much more of them than perhaps they initially thought,” said one Western diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity…

One proposal, designed to prevent the military from becoming entrenched while extending the stability it provides, is to appoint a presidential committee of two civilians and a general who would run the country for six months to a year until all parties are ready for elections.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2011 12:07 pm
@Irishk,
The Army's control may, later on, prove to be true, but it isn't evident yet. Some public order needs to be created in the interim. The real test of both the revolution and Egypt's prospect for democracy will come in the months ahead as the emerging political forces there begin to deal with each other.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2011 12:12 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
The Army's control may, later on, prove to be true, but it isn't evident yet. Some public order needs to be created in the interim. The real test of both the revolution and Egypt's prospect for democracy will come in the months ahead as the emerging political forces there begin to deal with each other.
Egypt is no more ready for Democracy than Iraq or Afghanistan are, we should expect no better result here than we have seen there. Perhaps good luck will prevail.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2011 12:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
I'm not willing to prejudge the outcome in Egypt. They may well succeed in creating something a good deal better than they have seen in the past decades. The history of nearly all democracies (ours included) is full of struggle, partial solutions, compromises and gradual progress.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2011 01:26 pm
@georgeob1,
Good points! All democracies struggle - even the countries that have declared themselves democratic. Most humans prefer living in a democratic country than any other - if they had the choice.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 5 Mar, 2011 04:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Most humans prefer living in a democratic country than any other - if they had the choice.
Says who?
 

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