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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 11:37 pm
@georgeob1,
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Consider what it took the EU powers to finally act to end systematic genocide in the middle of Europe in Bosnia and Croatia.


Gob advances another of his lies.
failures art
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 04:32 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

You're right, you didn't say "military action," I just assumed that you really weren't silly enough to think that "tough talk" or panty waisted economic sanctions could stop the bloodshed in Libya.

Two regimes recently fell against revolts of unarmed citizens. You'd be amazed at how far talk and collaboration can take you.

We cannot view the world through the same lens we have. The World is changing, and the tools of regime change are not as primitive as the flints on sticks of the past. They to have evolved. I think in our currently level of multimedia, it's arguable that video clips, not just machine gun clips change the world.

A few countries have ak47s on their flags. An old icon of revolution. It's not inconceivable that flags of the future will have not images of weapons, but of mass communication (phones, computers, etc).

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

But wait, maybe if Obama insists on the UN getting butch, that will save lives.

It doesn't have to be Obama. I allowed myself to get sidetracked. I said a global response. That does not imply the USA has to lead it or even be a part of it.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

BTW --- I can't believe you actually used the phrase "teachable moment!"

Why? I think it is. The world moves information very fast and in huge volume. Message control is vital. Obama exercised very good media savvy during his election, and it had a great effect. That same kind of thing is important in these situations. Obama's reality was that whoever was left in the end with Egypt would be a nation he'd have to have a good relationship with, and so he played fair weather. The Administration allowed muddled confusion on where we stand and it went on and on. It is easier to act when others are in a state of disorder. That's all I'm saying.

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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 09:32 am
@JTT,
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Consider what it took the EU powers to finally act to end systematic genocide in the middle of Europe in Bosnia and Croatia.



In what way is that a lie? There was a genocide in Bosnia committed by the Serbs against Muslims and Croats. However, both the US and the UN were slow to respond. It wasn't until 1994 that the US and then the UN started to take action. I guess the way it was a lie was to ignore the US's inaction at the start of the mass killings and raping.

Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina

It may be too soon to say this, but so far what I like about all these countries whose citizens are rising up against their oppressions is that so far change is coming without wars or terrorist actions. But how all this is going to end is anybody's guess.
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Irishk
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 09:58 am
From NPR today...

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— Reuters writes that "a Libyan air force plane crashed near the eastern city of Benghazi after its crew bailed out because they refused to carry out orders to bomb the city".

— The Associated Press reports that the Swedish tabloid Expressen "says Libya's recently resigned justice minister claims Moammar Gadhafi personally ordered the Lockerbie bombing that killed 270 people in 1988."


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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 10:02 am
@failures art,
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Obama's reality was that whoever was left in the end with Egypt would be a nation he'd have to have a good relationship with, and so he played fair weather.


But four Iranian ships have passed through Suez in the last 3 days for the first time in a long time. Two of them warships for "exercises" with Syria.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 10:13 am
No commentary - just a report

TIME

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...a source close to the Gaddafi regime I did manage to get hold of told me the already terrible situation in Libya will get much worse. Among other things, Gaddafi has ordered security services to start sabotaging oil facilities. They will start by blowing up several oil pipelines, cutting off flow to Mediterranean ports. The sabotage, according to the insider, is meant to serve as a message to Libya's rebellious tribes: It's either me or chaos.


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Two weeks ago this same man had told me the uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt would never touch Libya. Gaddafi, he said, had a tight lock on all of the major tribes, the same ones that have kept him in power for the past 41 years. The man of course turned out to be wrong, and everything he now has to say about Gaddafi's intentions needs to be taken in that context


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The source went on and told me that Gaddafi's desperation has a lot to with the fact that he now can only count on the loyalty of his tribe, the Qadhadhfa. And as for the army, as of Monday he only has the loyalty of approximately 5,000 troops. They are his elite forces, the officers all handpicked. Among them is the unit commanded by his second youngest son Khamis, the 32nd Brigade. (The total strength of the regular Libyan army is 45,000.)


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...Gaddafi has told people around him that he knows he cannot retake Libya with the forces he has. But what he can do is make the rebellious tribes and army officers regret their disloyalty, turning Libya into another Somalia. "I have the money and arms to fight for a long time," Gaddafi reportedly said.


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As part of the same plan to turn the tables, Gaddafi ordered the release from prison of the country's Islamic militant prisoners, hoping they will act on their own to sow chaos across Libya. Gaddafi envisages them attacking foreigners and rebellious tribes. Couple that with a shortage of food supplies, and any chance for the rebels to replace Gaddafi will be remote.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 10:19 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

No commentary - just a report

<snip>

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As part of the same plan to turn the tables, Gaddafi ordered the release from prison of the country's Islamic militant prisoners, hoping they will act on their own to sow chaos across Libya. Gaddafi envisages them attacking foreigners and rebellious tribes.



I found this little piece interesting, as the Egyptian variant came up in an email I got from an Egyptian friend who was in Cairo for 16 of the 18 days of the uprising. She reported that neighbourhood militia captured, and turned in to the military, 500 of the 700 prisoners released by the state.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 10:20 am
Gaddafi Has Two Choices

February 22, 2011 10:00 A.M. By David Pryce-Jones


Put yourself in the position of Moammar Gaddafi. For years you have been enjoying doing whatever you like with the total wealth of the country, stashing it away by buying large share-holdings in Italian and German companies. Billions and billions more dollars are available in the oil reserves. Western oil companies queue up to give you this unearned wealth and the power to do mischief that goes with it. Meanwhile you have brought up your sons with the idea that they are going to succeed you, and founded a Gaddafi dynasty to enjoy this money. There is nobody and nothing that counts in the country except you and your sons. In fact it isn’t really a country at all, just a bunch of tribes that you have been careful to leave disorganized and stuck in the old ways.

You have interfered successfully abroad by supporting Irish terrorists, Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe, and other African dictators — and killed Westerners by bombing planes and nightclubs. The United States has accepted blood money for American citizens you murdered. Sen. John McCain called you “an interesting man” and Tony Blair is happy to give you multiple embraces and photo-ops. The United Nations elected your Libya to the Human Rights Council.

Whatever you do, then, has never had any bad consequences for you. The tiny number of men with the capacity and will to challenge you are dead or in exile. In 1996 you had the opposition cleared away by murdering about 1,200 political prisoners in Abu Salim prison. And now suddenly, all because of a lack of dictatorial discipline in Tunisia and Egypt, a bunch of people are out in your streets, shouting against you and wanting all the wonderful things you’ve reserved for yourself and your sons. In the same position, the feeble Ben Ali in Tunis and the sick Mubarak in Cairo threw their hand in. The alternative is to fly in African mercenaries (just in case the local security forces hesitate to obey your orders) and open fire on what you think is a rabble from tribes you have always despised anyhow.

Nobody knows how many hundreds, perhaps thousands, have already been gunned down in Libya, or how many more will be. Once you have shown that you are capable of killing 1,200 men in prison, you are a committed criminal and will certainly go as deep into further crime as you think fit.

Speaking for myself now, I think that Gaddafi is unlikely to slip out of the country like other Arab dictators. It is a case of kill or be killed. Whatever happens, the harm he has done Libya will extend. Either he reasserts himself through superior violence and punishes everyone he suspects of being behind the uprising, or he is himself somehow left for dead. In the latter case, there is no successor, no institution to assume the role of governance, and the horrors of anarchy are the sole prospect.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 10:45 am
We are being told that there are 60,000 Chinese citizens in Libya. Another report said 30,ooo.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 10:47 am
@spendius,
And gold is at $1,413.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 10:47 am
@spendius,
Whatever their numbers, they're going to be seeking asylum in Europe - like England.
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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 10:48 am
I don't know too much about world affairs and all, but to my admittedly uneducated eyes, this Libya situation is looking like in the end, maybe sooner rather too late hopefully, international force is going to have to used against this guy. I just have a bad feeling about it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 10:53 am
@revelette,
We must not get involved; the neighboring countries must do it. Gaddafi has hired mercenaries to carry out killings of his own citizens; the "community" that surrounds Libya must respond - and the US must stay out of it.
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 10:59 am
@cicerone imposter,
agreed
Irishk
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 11:10 am
@djjd62,
Even in the event of a hostage crisis?

The BBC takes a look at what's being done country-by-country to evacuate foreign personnel from Libya.

The British cruiser HMS Cumberland is due to arrive off the coast today for possible evac intervention, and have said they'll send military aircraft if necessary.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 11:32 am
@cicerone imposter,
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and the US must stay out of it.


I agree, CI, but that'd be a first.

When one looks honestly at the historical record, it's truly amazing that all these countries have put up with as much as they have.

Of course, it's to the US's/UK's advantage to have self interested dictators in power. Given the huge sums they stash away and the princely life they lead they aren't too likely to jeopardize that by attacking the US/UK and other imperialist powers.

Why is it that these dictators, brutal men all, always seem to find a safe haven
in some western country where they live and feast upon the wealth of the people of their country? Where is the rule of law in that?


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Intervention and Exploitation: US and UK Government International Actions Since 1945

Libya

1931:

End of the Italian colonization of Libya, when the Sanussiys give in. [1]

1943:

With the fall of the Axis powers in the World War 2, Britain and France divides Libya: Tripolitania and Cyrenaica comes under British control. Fezzan comes under French control. [1]

1947:

In secret talks with the British, U.S. officials agree to support a British base in Cyrenaica and also agree, as the best way of securing this base, to a British trusteeship over that province. [17]

1948:

A commission set up by Britain, France, the US and the Soviet Union concludes that the people of the three provinces are eager for independence, but that "at present none of the three zones is politically ready for self-government." [17]

1949:

After Great Britain, France, the United States, and the USSR fail to to reach agreement on the future of Libya as stipulated in the 1947 peace treaty with Italy, the United Nations is given durisdiction. [5] [17]

May - Britain and Italy put forward a plan giving the British trusteeship of Cyrenaica, France of Fezzan and Italy of Tripolitania until 1959, when Libya would become independent. The Libyans are outraged and the plan is narrowly rejected by the UN General Assembly. [17]

The US and Britain decide to now back "independence" as long as the ties to Britain are strong enough to ensure Britain and the US can gain strategic rights. To this end they choose Sayyid Idris as Emir of Cyrenaica, intending to establish a federal system which would seem him installed as leader of a united Libya despite having limited public support. [17]

September - Cyrenaica becomes an independent emirate, with Emir Sayyid Idris Sanussiy as leader. [1] [17]

November 21 - United Nations grants independence for a united Libya, to be realized within the span of 2 years. The transition is to be supervised by a commissioner advised by a council of representatives from the US, Britain, France, Italy, Egypt, Pakistan, each of the three regions of Libya and one representative for the minorities in Libya. The council is thus dominated by those who will follow the US and British lead. [1] [17]

1950s:

The 1950s in Libya are characterized by great poverty; minimal economic development is made possible only by the payments and loans received from various Western nations. [5]

1950:

A national assembly convenes in Tripoli. Emir Idris is designated king of the coming kingdom. The members of the assembly had been chosen in such a way as to ensure this outcome. [1] [17]

1951:

October 7 - Promulgation of the new constitution of Libya. The constitution gives the King overwhelming authority despite public protests. [1] [17]

December 24 - King Idris declares the independence of the United Kingdom of Libya. [1]

1952:

February - Elections are held for parliament. The results are manipulated and government candidates win almost everywhere. [1] [17]

1953:

Libya enters the Arab League. [1]

December 7 - Britain obtains rights on having military bases in Libya for a period of 20 years, in return for economic subsidies. [1] [5] [17]

1954:

September 9 - USA obtains equal agreement as Britain did the preceding year on military bases. [1] [17]

1955:

Libya joins the United Nations. [1]

1956:

Concessions on oil extraction is granted to two US oil companies. More companies would follow later. [1]

1959:

Oil is discovered. [17]

1961:

September - With the opening of a 167 km long pipe line, oil exportations start from Libya. US oil companies begin to reap huge profits, as do corrupt Libyan officials. Oil goes on to make a few in Libya very rich, but most of the populus do not benefit and remain poverty stricken. [1] [17]

Libya increases its share of oil profits from 50% to 70%. [1]

1963:

Amendments to the constitution, transforming Libya into one national unity, and allowing for female participation in elections. [1]

1964:

Negotiations between Libya and Britain and USA on cessation on military installations in Libya. [1]

1966:

Most British troops are withdrawn. [5]

1967:

After the Arab-Israeli war nationalism grows in strength. [17]

1969:

September 1 - Coup against the royal palace and the king staged by young officers. The Libyan Arab Republic is established, and Mu'ammaru Qaddafi becomes head of a revolutionary council. [1] The US decides to not intervene. [17]

The regime pursues a policy of Arab nationalism and strict adherence to Islamic law; though Qaddafi espouses socialist principles, he is strongly anti-Communist. He is particularly concerned with reducing Western influences. [5]

September 14 - Libya takes effective control over banks, by obtaining 51% of the stocks. [1]

December 11 - Temporary constitution replace the old constitution. [1]

December 26 - Signing of a confederation between Libya, Egypt and Sudan. [1]

1970:

March 31 and June 30 - Last US and British troops leave Libya. [1]

The British are forced to evacuate their remaining bases in Libya, and the United States is required to abandon Wheelus Field, a U.S. air force base located near Tripoli. [5]

July 7 - Libya nationalizes the oil industry, together with all Italian assets in the country. [1]

1971:

Libya joins with Egypt and Syria to form a loose alliance called the Federation of Arab Republics. [5]

Qaddafi supports an unsuccessful coup in Chad, whereupon the latter breaks diplomatic relations, invites anti-Qaddafi groups to base themselves in the Chadian capital, and claims the Fezzan region of Libya. Qaddafi retaliates by officially recognizing the rebel organization in northern Chad, FROLINAT, and providing it with training camps. [18]

1972:

Relations are re-established between Chad and Libya. Apparently there is also a secret understanding allowing Libya to occupy a contested sliver of territory between the two countries, known as the Aouzou strip. Whether the Chadian leader was paid off for this territorial adjustment is unknown, but Libya does proceed to occupy the strip and no protest is raised. [18]

August 2 - Declaration of a merger with Egypt to be staged. [1]

1973:

February - 111 passengers and crewmembers are killed in the crash of a Libyan commercial airliner downed by gunfire from Israeli military jets as it descends, slightly off course during a dust storm, over Israeli-occupied Egyptian Sinai for a routine landing at Cairo International Airport. [3] Israel denies culpability even after the black box recording confirms no warning was given before the plane was shot down. Israel does however, agree to pay compensation to the victims' families. When the 30-member International Civil Aviation Organization votes on June 5, 1973, to censure Israel for its attack, the U.S. and Nicaragua - then under the Somoza regime - abstain. [6]

April - A "cultural revolution" is launched to seek to make life in the country more closely approximate to Qaddafi's socialist and Muslim principles. [5]

October - An implacable foe of Israel, Libya contributes some men and matériel (especially aircraft) to the Arab side in the Arab-Israeli war of this month. After the war, Libya is a strong advocate of reducing sales of petroleum to nations that had supported Israel and is also a leading force in increasing the price of crude petroleum. Qaddafi is severely critical of Egypt for negotiating a cease-fire with Israel, and relations between the two countries decline steadily after 1973 when Qaddafi fails to push through a merger with Egypt. [5]

1974:

January 12 - Merger between Tunisia and Libya is declared, but the incentive lasts only a couple of hours, since the Tunisian president reverses his decision. [1] [7]

1975:

August - Minister of Planning and RCC member Major Umar Mihayshi and about thirty army officers attempt a coup after disagreements over political economic policies. The failure of the coup leads to the flight of Mihayshi and part of the country's technocratic elite. In a move that signals a new intolerance of dissent, the regime executes twenty-two of the accused army officers in 1977, the first such punishment in more than twenty years. [1] [7]

Libya occupies and subsequently annexes the Aouzou Strip a 70,000-square-kilometer area of northern Chad adjacent to the southern Libyan border. Qaddafi's move is motivated by personal and territorial ambitions, tribal and ethnic affinities between the people of northern Chad and those of southern Libya, and, most important, the presence in the area of uranium deposits needed for atomic energy development. [7]

1976:

January - Students at the University of Benghazi protest at government interference in student union elections. Elected students who were not ASU members were considered officially unacceptable by the authorities. Security forces move onto the campus, and violence results. Reports that several students were shot and killed in the incident are adamantly denied by the government. [7]

Libya is implicated in an abortive attempt to overthrow President Nimieri of the Sudan, according to an authority on Libyan foreign policy, "while Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Sudan were reportedly undertaking a coordinated effort to topple Qaddafi's regime." [18]

1977:

March 2 - Libya is named Jamahiriya, state of the masses. [1]

April 5 - Student demonstrations that are brutally suppressed. [1]

July - Border clashes with Egypt. [1] The cause of the hostilities between Egypt and Libya has never been clearly established, although the attacks were probably initiated by Egypt as punishment for Libyan interference and a warning against the Soviet-backed arms buildup. After border violations alleged by both sides, fighting escalates on July 19, with an artillery duel, and, two days later, a drive along the coast by Egyptian armor and infantry during which the Libyan army are engaged. Egypt claim successful surprise air strikes against the Libyan air base at Al Adem (Gamal Abdul Nasser Air Base) just south of Tobruk, destroying aircraft on the ground; surface-to-air missile batteries and radar stations are also knocked out. When the Egyptians withdraw on July 24, most foreign analysts agree that the Egyptian units have prevailed, although Libyan forces reacted better than had been expected. The Qaddafi regime nevertheless hails the encounter as a victory, citing the clash as justification for further purchases of modern armaments. [7]

November - Libya changes its national flag into the present all green. [1]

1978:

Initiatives that change the economy into socialist structures. [1]

Jimmy Carter responds in a restrained way to information that Qaddafi is planning to assassinate the U.S. Ambassador in Cairo: he sends Qaddafi a letter telling him he knows of the plan and that he had better cut it out; the plan is called off. (Carter's caution is at least partly out of concern not to upset the Egyptian-Israeli negotiations, the disruption of which is Qaddafi's motivation for the plot in the first place.) [18]

US bans military equipment sales to Libya in retaliation for Libyan support of terrorist groups. [12]

1979:

An organization in Cairo calling itself "The Revolutionary Council of the Prophet of God" announces that Qaddafi and other Libyan leaders have been sentenced to death. [18]

February 28 - Qaddafi rejects the authority of the hadith in Muslim lore. [1]

March - Despite support from French troops, the Chadian government collapses. With Nigerian mediation, a Transitional Government of National Unity is established and endorsed by the Organization of African Unity (OAU). Goukouni Oueddei and Hissene Habre -- leaders of two FROLINAT factions -- are made president and defense minister, respectively. Habre, however, with Egyptian and Sudanese help, tries to take total power for himself. Finding himself threatened, Goukouni signs a defense pact with Libya. [7] [18]

December - The US declares Libya to be a "State Sponsor of Terrorism". [10]

1980:

Actions performed to root out foreign opposition to the Libyan government. [1] He begins ordering the assassination of Libyan dissidents who are living in exile in Europe. [5] [18]

June 27 - An Italian passenger plane is shot down over the Mediterranean, killing 81 people. In 1988 it is reported that the plane was shot down by a NATO missile. It is speculated that the the plane was shot down in error, the intended target being a Libyan plane in the area which may have been carrying Qaddafi. [8]

August - French and Egyptian intelligence initiate an unsuccessful anti-Qaddafi plot. [18]

October - Libyan troops enter Chad in support of the recognized head of the government (Goukouni). [18]

1981:

January - Chad and Libya announce their intention to unite. [7]

February - A French plot (with US support) to assassinate Qaddafi is dropped when the French President Giscard is unexpectedly defeated at the polls. [8]

March - US claims that Libya is running training camps for terrorists. [12]

May - US closes Libyan diplomatic mission in Washington, citing inter alia its "support for international terrorism." [12]

August - The U.S. holds military manoeuvres off the coast of Libya in order to provoke a response from the Qaddafi regime. When a Libyan plane allegedly fires a missile at U.S. planes penetrating Libyan airspace, two Libyan planes are shot down. [4] [15] [18]

Apparently the Reagan administration had decided to cast Qaddafi as a danger, in order to justify arms spending and to counter low domestic popularity. A plan was duly drawn up by the CIA to overthrow Qaddafi's regime. [8] [9] [18]

October - US imposes controls on exports of small aircraft, helicopters, aircraft parts, avionics to Libya to "limit Libyan capacity to support military adventures in neighboring countries." [12]

Egypt and Sudan abort a plan to attack Libyan forces in Sudan when president Sadat of Egypt is assassinated (the assassination is not related to Qaddafi). [18]

Goukouni, president of Chad -- having been promised an OAU peace-keeping force and French aid -- asks the Libyan forces to leave Chad. Four days later, Qaddafi agrees. Given a deadline of December 31, Libyan troops are actually out of Chad (though not the Aouzou strip) within two weeks. [18]

The U.S. provides some of the funding for the OAU peace- keeping force, but covertly is doing everything possible to subvert the government of Chad. Beginning in early 1981, the Reagan administration had started providing arms to Habre's forces, regrouping in Sudan. Additional support was being provided by Egypt, Morocco, and France. Significantly, even after Libyan forces withdraw from Chad, U.S. aid to Habre continues. Habre proceedes to march into the country, maneuver around the OAU peace-keepers, who want to avoid combat, and takes over the government. [18]

November - Reagan accuses Qaddafi of sending a hit squad to assassinate him, but reveals no evidence of this. The information is later shown to be false, probably fabricated by a CIA group with the help of groups linked to Israel and Lebanon, who held Qaddafi as their enemy. [8] [9] [18]

Exxon abandons its Libyan operations. [12]

December - Reagan administration calls on 1,500 US citizens residing in Libya to leave "as soon as possible," citing "the danger which the Libyan regime poses to US citizens." US passports are declared invalid for travel to Libya. [12]

US oil firms agree to withdraw US personnel but announce they will be replaced with other foreign technicians. [12]

1982:

March 6 - USA embargoes oil imports from Libya and technology transfer is also banned. [7] [12]

November - US State Department warns oil companies (notably Charter Oil, Coastal Corp.) against selling refined products derived from Libyan crude in US. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) mounts opposition to Libyan occupation of Chad, assists Libyan exiles. CIA Director William J. Casey says these activities might lead to "ultimate" removal of Qaddafi. [12]

US bars Boeing sale of 12 commercial jets to Libyan Arab Airline for $600 million. [12]

1983:

President Nimieri of the Sudan meets with Mohammed Youssef Magarieff in Washington. Magarieff is a Libyan exile in Egypt, who has set up the National Front for the Salvation of Libya, "dedicated to assassinating Qaddafi and overthrowing his regime." Nimieri promises him every form of support short of war: training facilities, weapons, travel facilitation, and carte blanche to conduct any type of activity against Libya from Sudan. [18]

February - the United States announces that its swift deployment of naval vessels and AWACs has prevented an impending Libyan attack on the Sudan. Strangely, Egypt states that there is no threat and the U.S. forces withdraw the next month. At the Security Council, the U.S. replies to Libyan charges of U.S. provocative military actions, declaring that "The United States had never engaged and did not now engage in acts of provocation" and that Libyan adventurism had been deterred. [18]

We now know, however, what actually happened. The whole thing was a joint US-Egyptian-Sudanese scheme to entrap Libya. Sudanese undercover agents acting as a pro-Libyan group in Khartoum were to request Libyan air intervention, at which time the Egyptian air force, guided by AWACs and refueled by U.S. planes, would unleash devastating counterattacks on Qaddafi's planes. Egypt's only condition for the plan was that the U.S. role had to be kept secret. Once word leaked out about the movement of the AWACs, the plot had to be aborted. [18]

March-August - In Chad Goukouni is overthrown. From his Libyan exile, Goukouni reorganizes his forces and occupies the strategic northern town of Faya Largeau. As the conflict draws in other players, particularly France, Chad was in effect a partitioned country. With French help, the N'Djamena government of Hissein Habré controls the southern part of Chad. The area north of the sixteenth parallel, however, is controlled by Goukouni and his Libyan backers. [7] [12] [18]

August - President Reagan reports the deployment of two AWACS electronic surveillance planes and eight F-15 fighter planes and ground logistical support forces to assist Chad against Libyan and rebel forces. [15]

1984:

March - In response to alleged Libyan bombing of Omburdman, Sudan, US sends two AWACS surveillance planes to Egypt. [12]

April - The Libyan National Salvation Front (LNSF) organizes a demonstration in London, at which a British policewoman is killed allegedly by a Libyan diplomat, leading to the breaking of diplomatic relations between Tripoli and London. [7] There is compelling evidence that the killing was actually a CIA operation, probably with Israeli involvement, designed to vilify the Libyans, making action against Libya easier to take. [11]

May 8 - Assassination attempt on Qaddafi by the LNSF, who were trained by the CIA. Some 2,000 people are arrested and 8 publicly hanged. [1] [7] The French secret service are also involved, the French government seeing Qaddafi as a threat to their interests in Africa. [8] [18]

According to the terms of a September 1984 treaty, France withdraws its forces from Chad. Libya, however, decides to keep its troops there, and skirmishes and fighting continue intermittently. [7]

October - US charges Libya with complicity in laying of mines in Red Sea. [12]

1985:

The US State Department, with some difficulty, dissuades the White house from persuing a plan for a joint US-Eqyptian invasion of Libya. [8] [18]

September - Libya expels 100,000 immigrant workers — which strikes hard on neighbouring countries of Tunisia and Egypt. Borders to the two countries are closed. [1]

November - Washington Post reports that President Reagan has authorized covert operation to undermine Qaddafi regime, based on June 1984 CIA assessment that "no course of action short of stimulating Qaddafi's fall will bring significant and enduring change in Libyan policies." [12] [18]

US bars imports of refined petroleum products from Libya, which have increased following opening of Ras Lanuf petrochemical complex earlier this year. [12]

December - Reagan accuses Qaddafi of being involved in bomb attacks at Rome and Vienna airports, which killed 20 people including 5 US citizens. There is no evidence of Libyan involvement but new US sanctions against Libya are imposed. [8] [12] [18]

1986:

Early in the year French troops return to southern Chad and there is a de facto partition of the country. [18]

January - Reagan approves expanded covert efforts to subvert Qaddafi and authorizes a high official to travel to Cairo to continue the military planning begun last year. The investigative reporters of the Washington Post find out about the secret mission. National Security Adviser John Poindexter asks the Post to kill the story. Here we get to see how the newspaper that had exposed Watergate responds to a plea from the U.S. government to help hide a U.S. plan to violate international law. Editor Ben Bradlee decides that the mission would be mentioned, but in a passing oblique reference down in paragraph five. [18]

Reagan breaks all economic relations with Libya. At a White House meeting, according to one participant, a decision is explicitly reached to provoke Qaddafi by again sending naval vessels and aircraft to the Gulf of Sidra. Any Libyan response would be used to justify military action. For four days in January, U.S. war planes fly in the region covered by Libyan radar. In February, two carrier battle groups and their planes conduct exercises in the same region, though not in waters claimed by Libya. [18]

February - US revises sanctions to allow oil companies to continue operations in Libya temporarily. Rule allows sale of Libyan crude at Libyan ports, but bars drilling for, extracting, distributing, or marketing Libyan oil. In addition, companies are expected to dispose of their Libyan holdings "as soon as practicable on fair and appropriate terms," but no deadline is set. [12]

March - US Sixth Fleet challenges Qaddafi's claim to territorial waters in Gulf of Sidra, crosses his "Line of Death." Action provokes Libyan attack during which two Libyan patrol boats are sunk, drowning 72 Libyan sailors. An onshore antiaircraft missile site is also destroyed. [12] [15] [18]

A British engineer attests that he was watching radar screens during the two days of fighting and saw US planes cross not only into the 12 miles of Libyan territorial waters, but over Libyan land as well. "I watched the planes fly approximately eight miles into Libyan airspace," said the engineer. "I don't think the Libyans had any choice but to hit back. In my opinion they were reluctant to do so." [8]

Before and after these events Qaddafi makes several attempts to open dialogue with Washington, but all are rebuffed. [8]

The US here adopts the doctrine of "preventive war", saying that such attacks are justified "in self defense against future attack." This is the first explicit statement of this doctrine. [9]

By the end of March, various stories have reached the press regarding U.S. military plans against Libya in concert with Egypt. One plan that is described "involved an Egyptian ground attack followed by a request for United States assistance," a pattern "similar to the one in the Suez crisis of 1956...." The semi-official Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram reports that there have been three U.S. efforts to get Egypt to attack Libya, all rejected by Cairo. The U.S. Ambassador to Egypt informs Washington, however, that Egyptian leader Mubarak secretly vowed to continue the anti-Libyan military planning with Washington. [18]

April 5 - Terrorist bomb destroys West Berlin discotheque frequented by US servicemen, killing three persons, injuring over 150. US charges Libyan complicity on basis of intercepted Libyan diplomatic transmissions. Reagan states that "evidence is direct, it is precise, it is irrefutable," begins planning military retaliation. [12] US and West German intelligence however, had no evidence of Libyan involvement. [14] [18]

A German TV documentary in 1998 presented evidence that the CIA and Mossad may have been involved in the bombing of the discotheque. [13]

April 14 - In hopes of forestalling US military response to West Berlin bombing, EC countries agree to reduce size of Libyan embassies, restrict movements of Libyan diplomats in Europe. [12]

April 15 - US bombers attack Qaddafi's headquarters, home, military airfields and alleged terrorist training camps around Tripoli and Benghazi in retaliation for the alleged Libyan role in 5 April bombing, and to deter future terrorist acts against US installations. Over 100 civilians are killed. UK allows US to use British airfields for exercise and provides strong public support, but France denies overflight rights for US planes. [1] [2] [3] [12] [15] [18]

May - Libyan Arab Foreign Bank files suit in London seeking payment of funds blocked by Bankers Trust London under US assets freeze. [12]

June - Treasury revokes special exemptions for US oil companies but authorizes them to enter into standstill agreements with Libyan authorities to maintain their ownership rights for three years while they continue to negotiate the sale of assets to Libya. [12]

August - OPEC officials report that France has begun boycotting imports of Libyan oil, refined products. In further attempt to destabilize Qaddafi, Reagan administration sponsors disinformation campaign on extent of Libyan opposition to Qaddafi regime. [12]

A memo from John Poindexter, the president's national security adviser, reveals some of the US disinformation program. Officials then admit that they have no evidence against Qaddafi. One senior spokesman for the State Department resigns in protest. British intelligence also describe US intelligence about Libya, passed to them, as being "wildly inaccurate" and "a deliberate effort to deceive". [8] [18]

October - Qaddafi and Goukouni have a falling out, whereupon the Libyans find themselves opposed by all Chadian factions. The Libyans are promptly routed by the Chadians, aided by new U.S. military aid, French air cover, French special forces and advisers, and U.S. and French intelligence. [18]

1987:

U.S.-Libyan confrontation calms down. Because of the falling price of oil, Qaddafi finds his country facing serious economic and social problems, and so is less inclined to challenge the United States. For its part, Washington concludes that U.S. pressure has made an anti-Qaddafi coup in Libya less likely, by making Qaddafi into a hero who had stood up to the American colossus. In addition, the Iran-contra scandal tones down the exploits of the National Security Council. [18]

March 27 - Liberalization of the economy, loosening of the socialist structures. [1]

mid 1987 - Abu Nidal is ejected from Syria, he relocates to Libya. [18]

August - Using as a pretext an alleged Libyan attack (that French sources consider to be a complete fabrication), Habre seizes Aouzou. Libya retakes it a few weeks later and a Chadian ground unit attacks an air base sixty miles inside Libya. U.S. officials deny that they advised Habre to go north, but they refuse to criticize the cross-border raid. [18]

September - The OAU get Libya and Chad to accept a cease fire. [18]

High Court of Justice in London rules in favour of Libya, orders Bankers Trust London to transfer to Libyan Arab Foreign Bank $131 million, plus accrued interest, that has been blocked by US assets freeze. US Treasury authorizes payment on 9 October. [12]

1988:

Chad and Libya restore diplomatic ties and agree to a peaceful settlement of the Aouzou issue; Qaddafi publicly concedes that his involvement in Chad was a mistake. [18]

April - Some political liberalization involves freeing of political prisoners. Borders with Tunisia and Egypt are reopened. [1] [8]

Reagan administration accuses Libya of producing chemical weapons at plant near Rabta, south of Tripoli. Although Libya claims that plant produces pharmaceuticals, production ceases for over a year. [12]

December - 38 minutes after takeoff, Pan Am Airways Flight 103 explodes over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing all 269 passengers, most of them US citizens, and 11 people on the ground. [3]

Five months later the State Department announces that the CIA is confident that the bomb was planted by members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine General Command (PFLP-GC), led by Ahmed Jibril, based in Syria and hired by Iran to avenge the US shooting down of an Iranian airliner. Then in 1990 as the US is preparing to invade Iraq and wants the support of Syria and Iran, they switch to blaming Libya for the attack, despite a lack of any real evidence. [3] [8]

1989:

January - Two US Navy F-14 aircraft based on the USS John F. Kennedy shoot down two Libyan jet fighters over the Mediterranean Sea about 70 miles north of Libya. The US pilots say the Libyan planes had demonstrated hostile intentions. [8] [15]

January-March - Actions against Islamist group of Jihad, 1,500 arrests. [1]

January - Just before the 3-year standstill agreements are to expire, Reagan allows US oil companies to return to Libya via their European subsidiaries. Qaddafi, however, refuses to allow them to return, in effect continuing the standstill and leaving US investments in limbo. [12]

February 17 - Declaration of the Maghreb Union, together with Mauritania, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia. [1]

September - Establishment of a body for world Muslim revolution. [1]

A French airliner, UTA Flight 772, explodes over Niger, killing all persons aboard. French investigators later uncover evidence implicating Libyan intelligence agents. [12]

Pan Am's insurers, anticipating lawsuits from victims' families, carry out their own investigation into the Lockerbie bombing, concluding that the bomb was placed in Frankfurt (from where the plane took off, and not in Valletta as the official story goes), and was done by a Palestinian resistance movement targeting the US Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA). [3]

The London Times quotes an ex-DIA agent, Mr Coleman, as saying that the DEA, together with the narcotics squad of the Cypriot national police, the German BKA police and British customs, ran a 'drugs sting operation' through Cyprus and airports in Europe including Frankfurt. He was told that BKA had 'serious concerns' that a US drugs sting operation out of Cyprus had been used by terrorists to place the bomb on flight 103, by switching bags. [3]

Qaddafi reportedly cuts back funding to numerous rebel movements, asks them to close their offices in Libya. In interview in magazine Al Mussawar, Qaddafi admits to having supported terrorists in past, but "when we discovered that these groups were causing more harm than benefit to the Arab cause, we halted our aid to them completely and withdrew our support." Action parallels drop in Libyan foreign reserves to under $3 billion in first quarter of 1989. [8] [12] [18]

1990:

March - Within days of US intelligence reports that chemical weapons production has resumed at Rabta, Qaddafi blames West German agents for alleged fire at plant he claims has caused extensive damage. US intelligence agencies later conclude that alleged fire was elaborate hoax, that Rabta plant is intact, capable of resuming production. [12]

April - Qaddafi intervenes with Abu Nidal to obtain release of two French hostages, one Belgian; Qaddafi receives "personal thanks" of French President François Mitterrand. [12]

June - Palestinian terrorist, captured with several heavily armed comrades off coast of Israel, claims they were trained in Libya, transported in Libyan boats, accompanied by Libyan adviser. A few months later, Qaddafi expels radical Palestinian group responsible for attack. [12]

1991:

Strengthening of ties with Eqypt. [1]

November - US, UK, France issue joint declaration calling on Libya to surrender for trial those recently charged in the Pan Am and UTA bombings. [12]

December - The EC calls on Libya to comply with the joint demands and raises the possibility of sanctions if it does not. Libya reportedly begins to move its liquid assets out of Britain and France to Switzerland and Gulf states. [12]

Libya arrests two men suspected in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 but refuses to extradite them to the US or the UK. [12]

1992:

January - In an effort to stave off a British-backed resolution in the United Nations Security Council imposing sanctions, Qaddafi offers to surrender the Pan Am suspects to an international tribunal. [12]

March - The Security Council rejects the Libyan offer as inadequate, imposes a total air and arms embargo (UN Security Council Resolution 748) in response to Libya's continuing refusal to extradite the suspects in the bombings. The resolution also restricts the number of diplomats Libya can maintain abroad. [1] [12]

Libya was prepared to hand the suspects over for trial in Malta (where the alleged crime took place), but not Scotland or the UK. [3]

May - During remarks at a Non-Aligned Movement meeting in Indonesia, Libyan Foreign Minister Ibrahim Mohammed Beshari claims that Libya will abandon terrorism. However, Libya continues to refuse to release two suspects in the Pan Am 103 bombing. [12]

1993:

May - Libya claims that UN travel sanctions have caused the death of over 800 people and cost the country $2.2 billion in lost exports. Qaddafi appeals to his North African neighbors to help broker a UN agreement and hints that Libya would try to open its borders to greater investment and tourism in an effort to end its international isolation. [12]

READ ON AT,

http://www.us-uk-interventions.org/Libya.html





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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 11:35 am
@cicerone imposter,
I don't agree, he has shown no resistance to killing and seem immune to words of condemnation and have made no concessions and have in fact said those protesting are rats deserving death. This situation is different than Egypt, Bahrain and others because it seemed like those leaders at least made some kind of conciliatory gesture which showed they didn't think they could just do as they please without repercussions. Moreover, this guy in Libya seems like a bona fide nut case capable and willing to do whatever he thinks it will take crack down on the rebellion from what I have been seeing on the news.
revelette
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 11:47 am
It is time for the United States, NATO, the United Nations and the Arab League to act forcefully to try to prevent the already bloody situation from degenerating into something much worse.


Quote:
The unfolding situation in Libya has been horrible to behold. No matter how many times we warn that dictators will do what they must to stay in power, it is still shocking to see the images of brutalized civilians which have been flooding al-Jazeera and circulating on the internet. We should not be fooled by Libya's geographic proximity to Egypt and Tunisia, or guided by the debates over how the United States could best help a peaceful protest movement achieve democratic change. The appropriate comparison is Bosnia or Kosovo, or even Rwanda where a massacre is unfolding on live television and the world is challenged to act.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 12:13 pm
Further to Lash's "We're damned if we do and damned if we don't" meme. This little bit of trickery, part of the US propaganda stream, would never have come into existence IF the US actually followed their propaganda, if, in other words, their motives were something other than their own selfish interests.

This meme is inextricably tied to that spurious notion that the US intervenes for altruistic reasons, one of the greatest and most common canards ever perpetrated upon the gullible of this world. That gullibility comes quite easily though for truly there also has never been a more effective or long standing propaganda program than that of the USA.

Of course this applies to the UK and other countries too, but the US stands way out from the rest because of the constant bragging, the proselytizing and their stated claims to a large portion of the world's riches, disguised as "national interest", not to mention the slaughter of innocents, which the historical records shows, it's something that they have truly excelled at.

Quote:
A History Lesson: U.S. Intervention in the Middle East Has Always Ended Up Being a Disaster for American Interests

by Stephen Zunes

For those who argue that a U.S. invasion of Iraq will somehow advance American interests in the Middle East, an overview of the major cases of U.S. intervention in the region during the past fifty years appears to indicate otherwise. Below is a list of major interventions in the region during the five decades along with a brief description of the U.S. role and its result:

Iran, 1953: When the government of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh nationalized the Anglo-Iranian oil company, the resulting sanctions on the country � led by Great Britain and the United States � resulted in economic hardship and political unrest. Fearing that such instability could result in a communist takeover and concerned about the precedent of nationalization on American oil companies elsewhere in the Middle East, agents of the Central Intelligence Agency organized a military coup in 1953, ousting the elected prime minister. The United States returned the exiled Shah to Iran, where he ruled with an iron fist for more than a quarter century. Tens of thousands of dissidents were tortured and murdered by his dreaded SAVAK secret police, organized and trained by the United States. The repression was largely successful in wiping out the democratic opposition. The SAVAK was less successful in infiltrating religious institutions, however, so when the revolution finally took place, toppling the Shah in 1979, the formerly secular Iran came under the leadership of virulently reactionary and anti-American Islamists. The result of the Islamic revolution was not only the end of one of America�s strongest economic and strategic relationships in the Middle East, but also the hostage crisis of 1979-81, Iranian support for anti-American terrorist groups, and a series of armed engagements in the Persian Gulf during the 1980s. Had the United States not overthrown Iran�s constitutional government in 1953 and replaced it with the dictatorial Shah, there would not have been the Islamic Revolution and its bloody aftermath.

How come the US constantly berates Iran for its human rights record but says little to nothing about those countries with US supported dictators? [rhetorical question, unless Finn or Gob feels the need to spin out an answer]

Lebanon, 1958 and 1982-84: U.S. Marines briefly entered Lebanon in 1958 to block an attempt by Arab nationalist forces to topple the confessional representation system imposed by departing French colonialists fifteen years earlier. This system effectively kept elites of rival clans in control of the country, particularly those of the pro-Western Maronite Christian minority. Tensions grew in subsequent years as rival factions began forming heavily-armed militias. A full-scale civil war broke out in 1975, which included militias made up of Palestinian refugees expelled from their country during Israel�s war for independence in 1948.

READ ON AT,

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0210-07.htm
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2011 12:23 pm
@revelette,
Quote:
Moreover, this guy in Libya seems like a bona fide nut case capable and willing to do whatever he thinks it will take crack down on the rebellion from what I have been seeing on the news.


How would he differ from the bona fide nut cases, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon who thought they could do whatever they wanted to the people of SE Asia and where they succeeded in causing the deaths of millions?

How would he differ from the bona fide nut cases, Reagan - Nicaragua, Grenada, ... Bush - Iraq & Afghanistan, Bush sr - Panama who collectively caused the deaths of over a million?

You've got more than enough nut cases to worry about in your own backyard, Rev.
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