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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 05:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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I stand by my previous comment; Obama is poor at communicating where he stands on many issues, and it's not restricted to the Middle East.
I think the sense that most of us got early on with Obama that he is not much interested in the world has proven to be correct. Foreign policy is a distraction to him. Kaplan has a pretty good piece on what Obama can and should do, which boils down to "not much"
http://www.slate.com/id/2286001/

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It's a no-brainer that President Barack Obama should do something to help the Libyan protesters bring down the monstrous regime of Muammar Qaddafi. The tough question is what.

To elaborate on this point: What actions would help, what actions might hurt, and, perhaps most important, what actions can be effectively sustained? Qaddafi, after all, has hung on to power for 42 years; he might not tumble with one quick push.


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talk72000
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 05:57 pm
@Ceili,
Lybia has a very small population of about 10 million in relation to its area. A small opposition when compared to Egypt with 80 million and with the same acreage. The Nile river provides sustenance for the huge population while Lybia is almost entirely desert.
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 05:57 pm
@JPB,
Thank you. I feel world leaders' comments now do file into what's going on.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 05:58 pm
@talk72000,
I realized that, I'm just not sure who the opposition is, do you?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 05:59 pm
@Ceili,
Those not on the gravy train.
talk72000
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 05:59 pm
@Ceili,
Could be the radical Muslims as he sided with the Algerians against the Muslim Fundamentalists.
Ceili
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 06:01 pm
@talk72000,
I'm assuming the Africans he brought in were muslims, at least their tactics seem to have taken a page out of the attrocities in sudan et al, like cutting hands off the demonstrators.
Ceili
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 06:02 pm
@spendius,
Good guess.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 06:02 pm
@JTT,
Why don't you just write up one post and put it in whenever you feel we may have forgotten your opinion ? There is no variety, nothing different in your posts . You hate the USA. Thats it . You have nothing else to add . Thank you for your time but isn't there a neighbour you can annoy ? I hear there is a protest in the Gaza strip...why dont you put your size XXXL mouth where the action is ?
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talk72000
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 06:03 pm
@Ceili,
With such a small population he could ride out the protests. Most city folks seem to be well off compared to Egypt.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 06:13 pm
I don't think religion is a big issue in Libya. There perhaps are some problems with tribalism, particularly involving advancement in the military.
Libya has a relatively high degree of literacy and that, in my mind, is part of the problem. Economic wealth is clustered around Tripoli while, as you get further away from the capital, there is abject poverty endured by a somewhat educated, young population.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 06:16 pm
so Qaddafi says he wants to die in Libya

i have no problem with this, the sooner the better

Ceili
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 06:22 pm
@djjd62,
Hopefully painfully, like a cockroach under someone's shoe.
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 06:24 pm
@talk72000,
The size of a country or its population has little to do with any government's ability to ride out protests.

And the income level can be a double-edged sword. Usually a higher income level means more years of schooling; high scholarity and dictatorships don't match.

All this said, it's clear that Gaddaffi has a fans base, but I'm certain they are an obvious minority in the country. They will lose the incoming civil war (and let's hope it's a fast loss).
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 06:24 pm
@djjd62,
The lady spokesperson of the 27 strong Euro-body which deals with our near neighbours in N. Africa was not prepared to go that far dj. And she was offered the opportunity. Three times.

She said the people should choose but she avoided saying how.

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Irishk
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 06:36 pm
@djjd62,
He also said he wanted to be a martyr. Didn't Hosni say something similar? Or am I getting my lunatic despots mixed up...again.

Methinks he might have a Gulfstream on standby.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 06:38 pm
@djjd62,
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so Qaddafi says he wants to die in Libya
Yeah, is someone stopping him ? Does he need permission ? Why doesnt someone close put a bullet in his brain pan ?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 06:50 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

I would agree with that, Georgeob. Things move so fast now. The notion that the UN or the Arab League or any world leader can effectively do anything seems naive.
I read tonight the notion that Gaddafi may set fire to Libyan oil fields and open up the prisons on his way out. Plausible, I guess, but what could be done to prevent that? By whom?


There's no doubt that any of these organizations or even any of the major powers, acting alone, could end the affair in Lybia. However they lack the motive or the will to do so. There are many other conflicting issues on the agendas, even of states that will be happy to see Gadaffi go. Consider what it took the EU powers to finally act to end systematic genocide in the middle of Europe in Bosnia and Croatia.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 07:03 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:

I'm assuming the Africans he brought in were muslims, at least their tactics seem to have taken a page out of the attrocities in sudan et al, like cutting hands off the demonstrators.


Maybe they were from Rwanda, Sierra Leone, etc.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2011 07:12 pm
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By Jim Hoagland
Wednesday, February 23, 2011

Hang in there, man.

Earlier this month, I wrote an open letter urging the Egyptian president to yield power and go quietly. But Brother Colonel - as you styled yourself when I first met you in 1973 - you are no Hosni Mubarak. You vow to go down in flames. Okay. That would be a fitting end for the criminal you have become.


Of course, no one should wish for more bloodshed as the price for your removal. But neither can we wish for you to get another giant plea bargain that leaves you in power. That happened in 2003, when you were welcomed into the world's leadership club after giving up development of chemical and nuclear weapons. You were forgiven the bombing of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland; the cold-blooded murder of Libyan dissident Mansour Kikhia; and a long career of other terrorist actions.

The Libyan people toppling you would solidify the important psychological transformation this year's revolutionary wave is sparking in the Arab world. It is a welcome change: Arab self-identity has for decades been rooted in defeat, bitterness and impotence born out of the military disasters of 1948 and 1967. Regimes such as yours are the products and beneficiaries of those Israeli victories. You fed on the pessimism and fatalism of people who saw themselves as history's losers.

As brave Arab patriots battle to grab control of their lives, that image can be buried. Their success would contribute mightily to the chances for finally ending the Israeli-Arab conflict - if the next generation of Arab leaders and Israel act wisely and with all deliberate speed.

Your demise will help. Your record of international criminal activity is, after all, on par with that of Saddam Hussein (who did not take my advice to get out of town in March 2003, to his ultimate regret).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/22/AR2011022205357.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

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Britain sold Libya more than $6 million in ammunition, including riot-control ammo, in the third quarter of 2010 aloneā€”a chapter in shame that Prime Minister David Cameron (who recently flew to Egypt to strike a relationship with the nascent regime there) might wish to rectify.

http://www.slate.com/id/2286001/

OOOPPS!
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