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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 06:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I think he was merely being ironic. Irony is generally a good thing.

I certainly didn't take offense. In fact I am very rarely offended by anything here. Bemusement is better.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 06:11 pm
Libya is threatening to stop co-operating with the EU on illegal immigration. Maybe Gaddafi, if he is still amongst us, will round a few thousand up and boat them across the Med. to give us a chance of managing them after they have applied for political asylum.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 06:14 pm
@spendius,
Where is our Rapid Reaction Force? We've paid for it.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 06:23 pm
@spendius,
Well you sent the Lockerbee bomber home to Lybia - you can send the rest too.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 06:44 pm
Full text of Saif Gadaffi's speech, as Transcribed and tweeted live by @SultanAlQassemi with screenshots from AlJazeera.:

http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/exiledsurfer/~oJiWX
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 06:52 pm
@msolga,
Quote:
William Hague, Britain's Foreign Secretary, condemned Libya for firing on demonstrators. "This is clearly unacceptable and horrifying. Governments must respond to the legitimate aspirations of their people, rather than resort to the use of force, and must respect the right to peaceful protest."

However, experts admitted the British Government and business interests were watching the situation closely. BP declined to comment on the situation last night but said it was concerned for its 140 employees in Libya. Security experts said all UK companies in Libya had contingency plans if the uprising spread.


More hypocrisy, this time from the UK.

"It's alright by us if you keep your citizenry under dictatorship and you are certainly free to torture and disappear whoever you like but don't fire on your people. You might hit some BP employees and what's worse, you may cause a rise in oil prices. That simply is not a tolerable situation.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 07:00 pm
Can't access Al Jazeera :

Quote:
TRIPOLI Feb 20 (Reuters) -
Libya Arab League envoy resigns - Al Jazeera

Libya's representative to the Arab League has tendered his resignation in protest to "oppression against protesters", Al Jazeera's Mubasher (live) channel reported on Sunday.

It gave no other details in its initial report.


http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE71J0JZ20110220
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 07:04 pm
Quote:
UPDATE 1-Libya threatens to suspend EU migration cooperation
Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:38pm GMT

* Libya warns EU against lending vocal support to protesters

* EU's Ashton had urged Libya to "allow free expression"

BRUSSELS, Feb 20 (Reuters) - Libya has told the European Union it will stop cooperating on illegal migration if the EU continues to encourage pro-democracy protests in the country, the bloc's Hungarian presidency said on Sunday.

EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said during a visit to the region last week that Libya should listen to what protesters were saying and "allow free expression".

"The Hungarian ambassador was called in in Libya on Thursday and was given the message that Libya is going to suspend cooperation with the EU on immigration issues if the EU keeps making statements in support of Libyan pro-democracy protests," a spokesman for Hungary, which holds the EU's rotating six-month presidency, said.

EU foreign ministers met in Brussels on Sunday to discuss the uprisings across North Africa and the Gulf with the focus expected to be on Egypt and Libya, where there have been days of protests against President Muammar Gaddafi's 40-year rule.

Human Rights Watch has said at least 170 people have been killed by security forces in a crackdown on the demonstrations. ...


http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFLDE71J0N420110220
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 07:11 pm
@msolga,
BBC report, following Saif Gadaffi's speech:

Quote:
21 February 2011 Last updated at 01:01 GMT
Libya protests: Gaddafi's son warns of civil war

Sayf al-Islam, Colonel Gaddafi's son, appears on Libyan TV and accuses people outside Libya of provoking violence

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's son, Sayf al-Islam, has warned of civil war in the country.

He said that the government would "fight to the last bullet" to stay in office.

In a TV address to the nation broadcast as anti-government protests spread to the capital Tripoli, he admitted that the military had over-reacted against protesters.

But he accused opposition groups and Islamists of trying to break up Libya.

He played down casualties, suggesting that at most 14 people, not 200, died in clashes in the eastern city of Benghazi.

And he promised "reform and democracy", saying that Libya's legislative forum would meet on Monday. .... <cont>


Quote:
Analysis
Jon Leyne BBC Middle East correspondent

That was one of the strangest political speeches I think I've every sat through.

He was completely and utterly detached from the reality of what is going on in his country.

To put it bluntly, most Libyans will just treat it as gibberish - it was completely meaningless to them.

The idea that they're somehow going to sit down and have a national dialogue with a government that's brought in foreign mercenaries to shoot at them is laughable.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12520586
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 07:25 pm
Still unable to access al jazeera.

From the Guardian live update blog:

*Unrest spreading to Tripoli

* Libyan ambassadors to China and India have resigned.:


Quote:
11.49pm: While Saif Gaddafi has been speaking, reports have been streaming in of how the unrest appears to be spreading to Tripoli from other cities.

This is from Reuters:

Libya's unrest spread to the capital Tripoli on Sunday after scores of protesters were killed in the second city Benghazi, which appeared to have slipped out of control of forces loyal to strongman Muammar Gaddafi.

Gaddafi has attempted to put down protests with a violent crackdown, triggering some of the worst bloodshed in the two months since unrest began sweeping across the Arab world.

In the first sign of serious unrest in the capital, thousands of protesters clashed with supporters of Gadaffi in Tripoli. Gunfire could be heard and police using tear gas to disperse the demonstrators.

In Benghazi, centre of Libya's unrest, tens of thousands of people took to the streets and appeared to be in control of the city before security forces opened fire and killed scores.

Benghazi residents said soldiers from a unit had joined their protest and defeated a force Gaddafi's elite guards. Bodies were brought to a hospital riddled with bullets and wounds from rocket-propelled grenades.

A witness in Tripoli said police in the capital were using tear gas against protesters, some of whom were throwing stones at billboards of Gaddafi.

A resident of the capital told Reuters by telephone he could hear gunshots in the streets. "We're inside the house and the lights are out. There are gunshots in the street," he said. "That's what I hear, gunshots and people. I can't go outside."

An expatriate worker said protesters were being dispersed by police and he could see burning cars in the capital.


Quote:
12.16am: The fall-out from events in Libya appears to be taking a toll among representatives of the regime abroad.

Al Jazeera has reported that the Libyan ambassador to China resigned earlier this evening during an interview live on air.

Now, BBC Arabic is reporting that the Libyan ambassador to India has also resigned from his post in protest at the violence being used to suppress the protests at home.


Guardian live update: Libya:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/20/libya-protests
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 07:42 pm
@JTT,
From the "comment is free" section of today's Guardian:

When tyrants want tear gas, the UK has always been happy to oblige:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/20/teargas-for-tyrants

Britain's alliance with Libya turns sour as Gaddafi cracks down:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/19/britain-alliance-libya-gaddafi-crackdown


Cartoon from yesterday's Independent (UK) :

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00560/cartoon200211_560243a.jpg


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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 07:44 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

Full text of Saif Gadaffi's speech, as Transcribed and tweeted live by @SultanAlQassemi with screenshots from AlJazeera.:

http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/exiledsurfer/~oJiWX


Fascinating. Thank you for posting it. Hard to know how much of the awkward and disjointed quality of his words comes from the transcription & translation, and how much from the mind of this very strange individual, who for years has defied understanding in conventional terms.

It seems that he believes that the situation is very critical and that even he believes his governmnent's ability to control events in Bengazi is in doubt. Interesting also to note the references to Lybians abroad and Arab/Islamist rivals - all reminders (to me at least) that really understanding the situation there and the other potential players in the game is very difficult and problematic at best.

The flow of refugees, from both Tunis and now Lybia, will be a real problem for Europeans - particularly Italy and France - even in terms of just the immediate security and welfare challenges, not to mention the longer-term consequences.
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Endymion
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 09:41 pm

I just saw this -

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/libyan-pm-gaddafi-may-have-fled-country-says-al-jazeera-citing-unconfirmed-reports/story-e6freuyi-1226009267520

Nothing confirmed
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 10:08 pm
@Endymion,
Remarkable and unexpected (at least by me). Let's hope the situation in Lybia is resolved without too much bloodshed.

Hard, however, to regret the passing of a nutty despot like Gaddafi.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 10:13 pm
Just not thinking Qaddafi will go as gently into that good dictator night as Mubarak.
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Irishk
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 10:17 pm
Wonder if he'll take his sons with him. He's got 7 of 'em. One (the 5th born) he named Hannibal lol. Might leave him behind to finish looting the treasury.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 10:19 pm
@Irishk,
Now, that's funny! LOL
Irishk
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 10:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Hannibal's a pistol, apparently. Likes to beat up on women. When he was busted for assaulting some of his 'staff' while in Switzerland, daddy K'Daffy cut off imports and curtailed flights from there.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 10:43 pm
A long time ago, Gadaffi declared the whole Gulf of Sidra (between Sicily & Lybia) to be Lybian territorial waters and threatened to take out any U.S. ships or aircraft that ventured there (many did). Our Mediterranean fleet would periodically challenge him by flying a C-130 down the Lybian coast (200 miles inside their absurd claim) with a communications monitoring aircraft above and about a dozen fighters down below the radar horizon, just waiting to see if they tried anything.) I was part of this drill many times. Occasionally we would monitor their attempts to launch interceptors (some piloted by Russians or Koreans) , but each time, just as we were ready to light the burners to get them, they would cancel - on one mission I was on they launched but the pilots were heard refusing to fly out to intercept the C-130 (lucky for them). Later in the mid 1980s, they did take the bait and lost two fighters in the process (two others bugged out and made it home).
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 11:14 pm
@georgeob1,
What year was that? I vaguely remember something like what you shared about the shoot-downs and the other two returning home.
 

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