34
   

The worlds first riddle!

 
 
markr
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 10:27 am
PIRATES
Here's a way to do it in 5 days for 9-16 pirates

Code:All->1->2->3->5->9
1->4->6->10
1->7->11
2->8->12
1->13
2->14
3->15
4->16
0 Replies
 
Tryagain
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 11:26 am
Mark that is brilliant, and clean. Cool

This is a bit of a ramble.
First note that the number of people who know any one piece of information can at most double on any given day. This means that the information cannot be distributed in fewer than 4 days, since 4 is the smallest positive integer, k, satisfying 11 < 2k.

There are various schemes for exchanging the information. Here is one possible one.
Think of the islands as being numbered from 1 to 11, as on a clock, so that 1 follows 11. On the first day, everyone sends his (I think all mutinous pirates are men, aren't they?) information to the next island, that is, numbered one greater; on the second day, everyone sends his two pieces of information two islands further on; on the third day, four islands further on; and on the fourth day, eight islands further on. For example, the pirate on island 8 would send his various pieces of information to islands 9, then 10, then 1, and finally 5.

Why does this work? Since the scheme is the same for all the participants, we only need to see that the first piece of information is universally distributed. Look at island i, and write i -1 as a sum of powers of 2. The powers appearing will tell you how the message got from island 1. For example, if i = 6, write 5 = 4 + 1; the message from 1 arrived at island 6 by going first to island 2 via a single island flight, followed by a four island flight.

Exactly the same procedure solves the problem for 12 mutineers.



I have a d-digit positive integer where
• each digit from 1 to d appears exactly once,
and in which
• each digit (except for the leftmost) differs from one further to the left by +1 or -1.

For example, if d = 3, the only numbers satisfying the conditions are, in increasing order, 123, 213, 231 and 321.


Can you find a formula in terms of d for the number of integers satisfying these conditions Question

(More difficult problem: Instead of the first condition, suppose I only tell you that the d digits are distinct. Now how many integers satisfy the conditions Question )
0 Replies
 
markr
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 02:50 pm
PIRATES
"Mark that is brilliant, and clean."

But apparently not optimal.

DIGITS (easier version)
I haven't proven it, but it appears to be 2^(d-1).
Also, the number of solutions that begin with digit 'c' appears to be C(d-1,c-1). If you let c run from 1 to d you get line (d-1) of Pascal's triangle which sums to 2^(d-1). In fact, looking at the solutions for d=5, they've got Pascal's triangle written all over them if you consider the number of solutions that start with a given digit, then the number of solutions that start with a given pair of digits, etc. It seems like it should be so easy to prove...
0 Replies
 
markr
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 03:02 pm
DIGITS (harder version)
The digits have to be consecutive or the second condition can't be met. Therefore, it's essentially the same as the easier version. The following assumes I answered the easier version correctly.

If zero is included and is allowed to be the leading digit, then the number of solutions would be (11-d)*2^(d-1).

If zero is included and is not allowed to be the leading digit, then the number of solutions would be [(11-d)*2^(d-1)]-1.

If zero is not included, then the number of solutions would be (10-d)*2^(d-1).
0 Replies
 
DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2005 10:31 pm
Glittering Points: Stalactites

Alive without breath: Sorry, I've read The Hobbit.
0 Replies
 
markr
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 01:31 am
DIGITS (revisited)
The key is the position of the digit 1.

First, here are two observations that I'll state but not prove:

- If there are N digits before 1, then they must be the digits 2 through N-1.
- The digits to the right of 1 must be the largest digits and they must be in increasing order from left to right.

For any number of digits, there is exactly one solution with 1 in the first position:
123...d

When 1 is in position N>1, the number of solutions is equal to the total number of solutions for d=N-1. This is because the digits in the first N-1 positions must be 2 through N. They can be arranged in exactly the same number of ways as the digits 1 through N-1.
Therefore, the number of solutions with 1 in positions 1 through N is twice the number of solutions with 1 in positions 1 through N-1.

The sequence doubles and the first term is 1 for d=1. Therefore, the number of solutions for d digits is 2^(d-1).
0 Replies
 
Tryagain
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 06:06 am
DrewDad: Aka Bart, who drew (angry) dad said,

"Glittering Points: Stalactites Cool

Alive without breath: Sorry, I've read The Hobbit." Cool

That's the problem, people are too well read. :wink:



"But apparently not optimal."

Mark, just because I say it, dose not make it so. I do not judge replies that vary from mine, there are many ways to reach a valid conclusion.
It is more amazing that we agree almost all the time, and nobody has raised any objections to any result. How long can it continue?


The number of integers satisfying the conditions is 2d - 1. One method of solution is the following:

Look at the left most digit, call it L. The digits less than L must follow in decreasing order while those greater than L must follow in increasing order. If L = d, there are no digits larger than L; if L = d - 1, there is one digit larger than L and it can appear in any of d - 1 places; if L = d - 2, there are two digits larger than L and they take up two of the following d - 1 places; and so on. This gives the total number to be
C(d - 1,0) + C(d - 1,1) + C(d - 1,2) + ... + C(d - 1,d - 2) + C(d - 1,d - 1),
where C(d-1,k) is the number of ways to select a subset of size k from a set of size d - 1. The above sum is the desired number given above.



A priest and a pirate are shipwrecked on an island with a boat which is large enough to carry only one of them to the mainland. They decide to let Lady Luck decide which one of them will be rescued.

On the island they find two coins. Assuming that at least one of the coins is fair -- that is, gives heads or tails 50% of the time -- but not knowing which one that may be, how can they use the coins to decide fairly who gets off the island Question



(This is an opinion only sort of question.)

A cattle town in the old west comes under attack by rustlers.
The townspeople dispatch their fastest horse and rider to the nearest fort with a note seeking help. When the horse arrives at the fort, the rider has been killed and most of the note destroyed, except for the letters

EST

To make matters worse, there are two towns about the same distance from the fort, to the east is the town of Rhester, to the west lies Testchester. Because of lack of troops, the fort can only send help to one of the towns.

To which town would you send the troops Question



Die without me,
Never thank me.
Walk right through me,
Never feel me.
Always watching,
Never speaking.
Always lurking,
Never seen.

Answer:


Each morning I appear
To lie at your feet,
All day I will follow
No matter how fast you run,
Yet I nearly perish
In the midday sun.


Answer:
0 Replies
 
Francis
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 06:43 am
Hi Try,

Each morning I appear
To lie at your feet,
All day I will follow
No matter how fast you run,
Yet I nearly perish
In the midday sun.

are you shadowing me?
0 Replies
 
thisisa44caliberlovelette
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 06:44 am
the answer is the same as the question, me thinks.
0 Replies
 
thisisa44caliberlovelette
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 06:46 am
woops wrong forum
0 Replies
 
thisisa44caliberlovelette
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 06:46 am
the answer is the same as the question, me thinks.
0 Replies
 
thisisa44caliberlovelette
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 06:46 am
the answer is the same as the question, me thinks.
0 Replies
 
markr
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 09:51 am
PIRATE/PRIEST
Flip both coins.
HH - pirate wins
TT - priest wins
HT or TH - flip again

EST
It would seem that Testchester would be twice as likely to have EST survive on the note than Rhester.
0 Replies
 
usamashaker
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 10:32 am
هلااااااااااا

simply thinking

the letters EST are present in " west Testchester"
more than "east Rhester"

so it has more probability to be the town

i have no other idea.
0 Replies
 
usamashaker
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 10:37 am
too late
0 Replies
 
DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2005 10:37 am
Die without me: Air
0 Replies
 
usamashaker
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 07:05 am
Quote:
A mutiny takes place on a pirate ship. Wanting to punish the mutineers and regain control of the ship, the captain puts the disloyal crew members off on different small islands.

The mutineers soon discover that communication between themselves is possible by sending messages attached to carrier pigeons. However, each mutineer can only communicate with one other plotter on any given day.
Suppose each of them has some unique piece of information he would like all the others to know and that on any given day he can pass along all the information he has to his chosen recipient.

There are eleven mutineers. How many days will it take before each of them has gathered all the information


what about 4 days.

the 1st

1----2
2----1
3----4
4----3
5---1
6----1
7----1
8----9
9----8
10---11
11----10

the 2nd

1---3
3---1
2---4
4---2
8---10
10---8
9---11
11---9
5---2
6---2
7---2

the 3rd

1---8
8--1
2---9
9---2
3---10
10---3
4----11
11----4
5---4
6---4
7---4

the 4th

4----11
1----5
2---6
3---7

right? or i didn't understand the riddle?
0 Replies
 
Tryagain
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 02:31 pm
Francis:
Each morning I appear
To lie at your feet,
All day I will follow
No matter how fast you run,
Yet I nearly perish
In the midday sun.

"are you shadowing me?" Cool

You lead I'll follow. Laughing


The riddle of the missing ?'r' writes:

"the answer is the same as the question, me thinks."
"woops wrong forum"

"the answer is the same as the question, me thinks."
"the answer is the same as the question, me thinks."

Now, that is a good riddle Exclamation


Mark:

PIRATE/PRIEST
Flip both coins.
HH - pirate wins Cool
TT - priest wins Cool
HT or TH - flip again Cool


I could not agree more.


The cleanest solution has the priest flip one coin and the pirate flip one coin. If their coins match, the priest goes, if not the pirate goes. It's straightforward to check that each outcome occurs exactly 50% of the time.



Both Mark and Usamashaker agree. Cool Cool

EST
It would seem that Testchester would be twice as likely to have EST survive on the note than Rhester.


he letters EST are present in " west Testchester"
more than "east Rhester"

so it has more probability to be the town

And that makes three. Laughing

I favor sending the troops to Testchester. An analysis of probabilities shows that it is more likely that the letters EST would be found in the name of the town of Rhester. However, most of the possible combinations of letters would uniquely identify one town. Among those combinations that are ambiguous, the town of Testchester has the higher likelihood.



DrewDad:

Die without me: Air Cool


Usamashaker said. "right?" Cool

Very much so. Better than my answer, nice one. Razz




My dog, Hooter, got a new leash for his birthday. This leash is made of a flexible rubber coil, much like that on the handset of your telephone, which stretches when Hooter walks away from me and shortens as he walks toward me. The result being that the leash goes directly from my hand to his collar in a straight line without dragging on the ground or becoming entangled in his feet.

Last night Hooter and I went for a walk. We were both walking at a constant rate of 6 feet per second, and he was 8 feet in front of me. As we came to a corner, he turned and continued to walk at the same rate, when I got the corner, I turned and we continued on our walk.

After Hooter has turned the corner, but before I have reached it, is the leash growing, shrinking, or staying the same size Question

If its length is changing, at what rate is it changing just when Scooter turns the corner and when does it reach its maximum/minimum length Question



Three lives have I.
Gentle enough to soothe the skin,
Light enough to caress the sky,
Hard enough to crack rocks.
Question


We are five little objects of an everyday sort
you will find us all in a tennis court
Question


If a man carried my burden
He would break his back.
I am not rich,
But I leave silver in my track.
Question


This riddle looks vaguely familiar. Shocked

Two ferryboats sail back and forth across a river, each traveling at a constant speed, and turning back without any loss of time. They leave opposite shores at the same instant, pass for the first time 700 feet from one shore, continue on their way to the banks, return and pass for the second time 400 feet from the opposite shore.

What is the width of the river Question
(Hint: Don't write down any equations!)
0 Replies
 
DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 03:05 pm
Hooter: The leash starts shortening when Hooter turns the corner, and is at its minimum when you are both 4 feet from the corner. At the moment when Hooter reaches the corner and turns, the leash is shortening at 6 feet per second.

Three lives: Water (water, vapor, ice)

Burden: a snail?
0 Replies
 
usamashaker
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 05:54 pm
the river

1700 feet
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Alternative Einstein's riddle answer - Discussion by cedor
Urgent !!! Puzzle / Riddle...Plz helpp - Question by zuzusheryl
Bottle - Question by Megha
"The World's Hardest Riddle" - Discussion by maxlovesmarie
Riddle me this - Question by gree012
riddle me this (easy) - Question by gree012
Riddle me this - Question by gree012
Hard Riddle - Question by retsgned
Riddle Time - Question by Teddy Isaiah
Riddle - Question by georgio7
 
Copyright © 2026 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.07 seconds on 03/18/2026 at 08:49:22